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Opinions from the experts? (Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop)
« Reply #135 on: February 10, 2025, 03:55:57 PM »
Dear Clatter and mid-60s Buick caregivers,

Man, I really appreciate the help, guys.

Well thank you for taking us along on your journey!

In speaking to Matt Martin,
Talking about what was originally painted what colors and where.

He indicated that the engines were painted at the factory pretty much fully assembled.
Said how they got that green overspray everywhere!
He of anyone should know.
Also said it was hard to bring himself to do such sloppy work...
I was trying to talk him into it.

Is there a thread or any pictures of the factory's sloppy overspray?
. . . .
Don't want the car to be "over-restored"!   :angel4:

You will need to wait for the true experts to chime in on the topic, but my instinct would be that beauty would win out over authentic factory sloppiness - at least when it came to having the car judged.

From a totally different hobby, I ran into something of a similar problem when I decided to create a model railroad based on the Pickering Lumber Company.  Harvesting trees before World War II was a dirty and nasty business, and the equipment used was worn and beaten up.  I just couldn't bring myself to reproduce that beaten-up look after all that effort to build a good-looking model.  It bothered me so much that I changed my model railroad from actually modeling the lumber industry to being a tourist railroad based on the Pickering Lumber Company.  That way I could have my beautiful models and have an explanation for why they looked so sharp.

I don't have an equivalent suggestion for your case.  However, I'm sure the owners of award winning 1965 Gran Sports will have something to say to help you decide.

Edouard 

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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #136 on: February 11, 2025, 01:34:34 PM »
I've never heard of engine paint overspray except on the fuel pump. It was my understanding that the engine was painted with the following installed. AC bracket, power steering bracket, and upper alternator bracket (on non-AC cars). Also coolant crossover and thermostat housing, fuel filter bracket, harmonic balancer, valley pan, and rocker covers (if stamped steel, not aluminum). The fuel pump was assembled, but not painted, just overspray from painting the block and timing cover around it. I painted the intake manifold separately and installed it after painting the engine. I painted the valley pan, balancer, crossover and Tstat housing before assembling them. Then they got another coat while painting the engine. Pictures attached.

Others feel free to share other opinions.

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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #137 on: February 11, 2025, 01:39:06 PM »
More pictures...
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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #138 on: February 12, 2025, 11:41:01 AM »
Nice!  Thanks again as always Chuck.

Matt mentioned even some overspray on the distributor?

Any of you guys see a distributor with some overspray?

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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #139 on: February 12, 2025, 05:25:07 PM »
The distributor had a small amount of overspray.

The fuel pump was partially covered with a cup/mask so it also had some overspray on it.

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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #140 on: February 13, 2025, 11:08:35 AM »
Still plugging along.
I tend to jump around a bit...

Center console is the highlight of the interior.
Very difficult to re-chrome well.
For this reason, we're considering sending it to Sherm's in Sac.

Those teeny-weeny ribs get the pot-metal popping little corrosion pits underneath.
And there's not a lot a chromer can really do about it.

We're sending it off to them to get it stripped at least and see.
Maybe the emblems as well because Sherm's is the best of the best.

Won't even say what they quoted these parts at.
Obscene.
Going to be the single most expensive part of the car yet by far.

So.... Another question.

Since the shifter shaft is right next to the console and chrome.
And has a chrome button...
And they're both all pitted out...

How would you guys go about extracting that button/guts/spring from inside there?
It's been entombed. Welded into place forevermore.

Wondering how on earth it was even made...

I could cut the welds at the bottom, and also destroy the pivot pin,
Make up another on the lathe and welding it all back together afterwards,
But then there's this pin sticking out the side......  :icon_scratch:

Maybe just cut the whole shaft in half right below where the chrome stops?
Then, I'd have to veeery carefully weld it back together without fouling the spring or pin inside...

Ugh.
Any of you guys cross this bridge before?

Wondering about getting another,
Sectioning one the one way and the other another to join later?

Make something from scratch?

Any of you guys cross this bridge?

Can't have a tatty shifter shaft after getting the console done...
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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #141 on: February 13, 2025, 01:34:55 PM »
Following up at powerbrakeboosters.com

They said they might have a master or booster core for us but no such luck.

Any chance one of you fine gentlemen has an original booster core to sell?
Maybe someone who upgraded to a dual-circuit master has the old one lying about?

One man's junk is another man's garbage!  :icon_biggrin:

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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #142 on: February 23, 2025, 11:17:20 AM »
Been pretty hard at it lately.
Other distractions finally out of the way for a while..

Got the rotisserie and engine hoist all sussed out.
Cheapo casters that fold over when loaded have been replaced.
Rusty/crusty rotisserie got grease zerks installed into the casters, so they (actually) turn and roll.
Eventually we got it onto there!
Once my kid helps me move that hood we'll flip it over!  :icon_biggrin:

So,
Looking at the stampings on windows,
I'm getting mixed results comparing the two cars,
But also, windows on the same cars?

Was there ever a how-to article on window date stamps?

As always, appreciate the wisdom, gentlemen.
Hope to have some real progress to report soon!

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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #143 on: February 23, 2025, 11:23:45 AM »
Oh, and, another dumb question...

Label thing on the door jamb - up high.
Looks like one of those press label makers from back in the day.

Any chance that was factory?
Or maybe at least done by the dealer, or?

Wasn't guessing so,
But thought I'd ask..




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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #144 on: February 23, 2025, 02:06:32 PM »
Anyone (Chuck?  :icon_biggrin:) know if this master might be correct?

Doesn't have the bleeder on the side, but a Delco...  :dontknow:




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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #145 on: February 23, 2025, 03:24:47 PM »
Thanks for the update!

Sorry that I don't know the answer to your questions, but your efforts are definitely very inspiring!   :angel4:

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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #146 on: February 23, 2025, 09:17:59 PM »
Sorry Steve. I don't think that master cylinder is correct. I know that other variations of aftermarket brands have passed judging with flying colors in addition to the correct Delco part. But with the side exit to the brake lines I wouldn't take a chance. The correct MC had the exit straight out the front. And I don't know if it's for power or manual brakes.

Others might have more info. Good luck with your search!

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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #147 on: February 25, 2025, 07:28:03 AM »
Hi, this  is our gs, I have some brake  setups  from other  models that match yours .jim
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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #148 on: February 25, 2025, 09:20:14 AM »
Window date codes.....
Here ya go, copied from the following GTO site:
http://www.iegtoclub.com/Tech%20Lib/window_lof_codes.htm
>>>>
The following is the decoding for LOF (Libby) Owens Ford) glass from 1963 thru 1972. The location of  the codes vary with each piece, just look for the LOF symbol. Generally all of the side glass had the same date, about 60 days before build, and the windshield was 30 days or less from build.

L-O-F: Libby Owens Ford Manufacturer
AS: American Standards Association of Classification
AS1: Windshield Glass
AS2: Body Glass
M54: Manufacturer's Model Number
SOFT-RAY: Tinted

MONTH                                                   YEAR

N   January                                            C  1963
X   February                                          G  1964
L   March                                               J   1965
G   April                                                 A  1966
J    May                                                 Z   1967
I    June                                                  X  1968
U   July                                                   V  1969
T   August                                             T  1970
A   September                                       N  1971
Y   October                                            Y  1972
C   November
V   December

Example: A code of XJ would be February, 1965.
A code of CA would be November, 1966.
<<<<<

And a VERY in-depth explanation on the glass and codes:
http://www.camaros.org/glass.shtml

There is a lot of fascinating info on that site, check the 'CRG Research' section. Sure it's a Camaro site, but many of the processes were used on our Buicks.
Here's the engine assembly process, describes the engine painting process which you asked about.
http://www.camaros.org/flintV8.shtml

And this is the body and assembly line process. It'll help you understand the order of operations as far as primers, sealers, and paint:
http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml
Enjoy!
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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #149 on: February 25, 2025, 11:52:52 AM »
Wow. Nice.

Might have guessed we would open up quite the can with these things...  :icon_biggrin:

Went and took a pic of the Skylark parts car we plan on harvesting the tinted glass.
Whadda ya know it's also a Fremont car and built just two weeks after our GS!  :headbang:

Entirely conceivable that glass might have sat around a couple of weeks between manufacture and installation, right?

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