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assistance with Trannys
« on: January 30, 2015, 10:57:00 PM »
Guys.... IM kinda fumbling thru an engine swap here... I pulled a 401 motor out of one of my 65 GS's I've had for years.  The tranny is a wrong SP400 with a huge cracked bell...in two pieces   :angry5:  . . . so I figured since I have a 65 300 with 2 speed tranny I could just bolt it up to the 401.  not.    :crybaby2:   I am learning the 65 300 had a 2 speed tranny but apparently NOT a ST300 type with the rounded bell housing...

What other year Buicks came with 2 speed ST300 that would bolt up to this 401???

I need one close to me ....  ThanX for your help in advance.

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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2015, 11:11:11 PM »
Only 65-66 Skylark GS's had the st300 trans that would fit the Nailhead. The small-block 300-340 used the common BOP bellhousing pattern.
For a st400, 64-66 401-425, and some Jeeps in the late 70's had the round Nailhead bellhousing.
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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2015, 09:38:20 AM »
Dennis,

As Walt pointed out, that case is particular to the nailhead  block. 
The 400 was used from '64-'66 in Buicks.  The ST300 was used '65 and '66 only, as noted by Walt.

Shame we are not closer, I have a '65 GS auto trans here that needs a new home.


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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2015, 11:40:10 AM »
Loren,
 I think you can still ship up to 150 lbs through greyhound. I also have an extra GS 300 trans,but I was not able to sell it because the shipping was ridiculous. I think if the convertor was shipped separately that thing has to weigh less than 150.   Dan

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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2015, 11:47:39 AM »
Looks like it is up to Dennis on that
Checked, max Greyhound is 100 LBS.  Not sure what a SP 300 weighs.



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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2015, 12:58:47 PM »
They used to let you ship freight collect if it was going to a business address, but I was told that changed too.  For all you "app" wizards out there, someone needs to connect drivers who are willing to take extra pieces like these when they are on the road and throw me back .0001 percent for the idea. I know heavy pieces are expensive , but they are getting crazy on anything over 20 lbs.

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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2015, 08:38:15 AM »
Wellllll...I sent a message to JW at V8 a few years ago SUGGESTING a new FIELD:  SHIPPING ASSISTANCE. This field would encompass ANYONE, anyWHERE, who knows someone who is DRIVING TO/FROM HERE'N THERE at anyTIME...  who wouldnt mind traveling with some extra Buick parts in the trunk for some extra gas money...

I and a few others thought it would be an excellent opportunity for both seller/buyer, but was told the Mods would have more 'holding hand' issues in cases where problems occures... ie: damaged, or unable to meet up within a reasonable time and who-knows whatelse...    understandable concerns I guess.

Still I believe it would be an opportunity we should look into..


MEANWHILE... Loren,  can we take a look into the greyhound thing?   :occasion14: There is a ST PETERSBURG Florida terminal relatively close to me.  Email me direct:  PenWheelz2@ij.net    THANX!


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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2015, 09:46:44 AM »
MEANWHILE... Loren,  can we take a look into the greyhound thing?   :occasion14: There is a ST PETERSBURG Florida terminal relatively close to me.  Email me direct:  PenWheelz2@ij.net    THANX!

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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2015, 11:24:06 AM »
Guys... GOD IS GOOD!   :notworthy:   I posted this same request for a ST300 on the V8Buick forum... I got a reply from a fello less than an hour from me in Kissimmee Fl, who owns a Jeep FC-170 with a 1966 Buick ST300. He is converting to a 700R4  THIS WEEK and has offered me everything ST300 related ie: Convertor, cables, mounts etc at a very sahweet deal!!!   :sunny:

However, since his JEEP had a 4x4 transfer case, the TAILSHAFT HOUSING on the ST300 is not available... :crybaby2:
QUESTIONS IS.... will a stock 2 speed 300 tranny TAIL SHAFT HOUSING bolt onto a ST300 tranny?

Thanx in advance for your input guys!!!

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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2015, 04:03:04 PM »
Dennis,
  I have a Nailhead T400 transmission like you are taking out of the car if that will help you.  Came out of a 66 Riveria.  Been sitting in my barn in VA since 1988, so will need to be gone through.  Car it came out of had thrown a rod in the engine, so the trans was working fine the last time the car ran. 
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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2015, 04:39:16 PM »
THANQ Brian!   I will keep everyone posted on the results of the LOCAL FLORIDA GUY hepping me out...
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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2015, 12:22:32 PM »
...justin case some of you missed this inquiry:

QUESTIONS IS.... will a stock 2 speed 300 tranny TAIL SHAFT HOUSING bolt onto a ST300 tranny?

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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2015, 12:51:33 PM »
What you refer to as a stock 300 transmission is a ST300.  The ST300 in the regular skylark behind the 225/300/340 engines is the same transmission as is in the 65 and 66 GS, it just has a different main case because of the different bellhousing for the nailhead.  So yes, the tailhousing from a ST300 in a regular skylark will fit on a ST300 in a 401 GS. 
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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2015, 02:32:15 PM »
ahh HAh!  Thank You Brian!   :cheers2:
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Re: assistance with Trannys
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2015, 12:00:56 PM »
What you refer to as a stock 300 transmission is a ST300.  The ST300 in the regular skylark behind the 225/300/340 engines is the same transmission as is in the 65 and 66 GS, it just has a different main case because of the different bellhousing for the nailhead.  So yes, the tailhousing from a ST300 in a regular skylark will fit on a ST300 in a 401 GS.

I'm sorry, but they are not the exactly the same internals.

 The ST300 for the GS is some what different.  Right off, it has a different planetary clutch pack. A bit more heavy duty.
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