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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #165 on: March 10, 2025, 09:46:03 AM »
Oh, and the '447' engine production code you show....
I've read that it may be based on a 2 year cycle for the 1964-65 production year.
001 would be 1/1/64, 365 would be 12/31/64, 366 would be 1/1/65, and your 447 would be (447-365=82) or the 82nd day of 1965= 3/23/65. Sound about right?
 
I applied this theory to my 66's, the engine production date was about 1-3 months before the cars build date.
My production codes ranged from 289 to 513....decoded as  10/16/65 to 5/28/66.

I haven't seen much discussion on this topic, take my above info as just a theory.
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66 GS Silver Mist/black 401 4 spd
66 GS Flame Red/black 401 5 spd
66 GS Saddle Mist/black 401 L76 auto
66 Special Flame Red/black 300 5 spd
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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #166 on: April 03, 2025, 01:11:53 PM »
Whoo! Been way too busy lately.. And not on a Buick!  :nono:

So,
Finally getting this shell off to blasting here next week.

And a couple of last minute things need sussed out.
Expert advice is badly needed.
My nemesis - Colors! :help:

Here, I've taken pictures of these interior areas where we have paint.
Is it gold? Is this saddle?
My wife is no help...  :angry5:

Here the top of the dash is masked with some of the stuff,
And then the adjacent area is blacK?
Is that factory?
Then, we get into the cowl area and its body color (midnight aqua) again.

See also this brown? Gold?   :dontknow: :dontknow: :dontknow: color along the back window,
And again, up under the dash by the vents, and inside the a-pillars as well.

This stuff is factory original, right?
These overspray/masked areas are OG?
Correct to reproduce...?

If this is all saddle, do we have paint codes somewhere?
Was going to get it all mixed up at my local paint store..

-And-
Koch's has our steering wheel.
And they want to know what color it's supposed to be!  :icon_tongue:
How would I ever know?!?!?  :tongue3: :tongue3:

So,
A saddle interior gets a saddle wheel??
They didn't see that color in their book.
If I'm going to be shooting Saddle on the dash (Gold?) then I'll be sending either some paint to Koch's,
or maybe a spray-out sample..

But only if i can figure this out...!

Simply no way for me to "try harder" or "look more closely" or "put it in the sun" or...


Big thanks for the help gentlemen.
Nothing worse than feeling all handicapped...  :angry9:




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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #167 on: April 03, 2025, 01:45:00 PM »

So,
A saddle interior gets a saddle wheel??
They didn't see that color in their book.
If I'm going to be shooting Saddle on the dash (Gold?) then I'll be sending either some paint to Koch's,
or maybe a spray-out sample..


Yes, Saddle interior, saddle wheel.

Interior paint codes: https://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,4838.msg36535.html#msg36535

PaintRef.com if Koch's cannot match the Ditzler PPG number.  https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?ditzler=22570

(Fisher No. W60A3310, Ditzler code 22570, Dupont Lucite code 4626-L)
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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #168 on: April 03, 2025, 02:20:44 PM »

So,
A saddle interior gets a saddle wheel??
They didn't see that color in their book.
If I'm going to be shooting Saddle on the dash (Gold?) then I'll be sending either some paint to Koch's,
or maybe a spray-out sample..


Yes, Saddle interior, saddle wheel.

Interior paint codes: https://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,4838.msg36535.html#msg36535

PaintRef.com if Koch's cannot match the Ditzler PPG number.  https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?ditzler=22570

(Fisher No. W60A3310, Ditzler code 22570, Dupont Lucite code 4626-L)

Excellent, thanks for the quick reply!

This gold-looking paint on the dash and column and whatnot is saddle as well?
Whadda ya know...

Some is gloss and some is flat?

Whoo!
WAY more going on here than i can see!  :binkybaby:

Going to have to really dig in and see what's what.
Thanks again for the wisdom.



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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #169 on: April 04, 2025, 10:57:27 AM »
OK, want to be sure i have this right.
If the car's interior color is saddle.

First-
We use Medium Saddle Poly #22570 -In a gloss finish- on most all of these interior parts.
Dash, column, garnish moldings, etc. Basically, most all the stuff painted brown.

Then-
We'll use Dark Saddle Poly #22573 -in a gloss finish- On certain other items?
The Saddle interior uses this other dark saddle color?
Or is our second color something else besides dark saddle?
They didn't use like medium dark fawn or..?
They list the parts being painted this color as:
Instrument panel end filler
Floor shift transmission panel base
Rear Front Back radio speaker grille
Short console

Since our car was an automatic, and i didn't see any speaker covers.
Guessing this just means the big plastic console itself?
It sure -looks- like the same saddle color as everything else to me...
WTF is "instrument panel end filler" or "transmission panel base"?
Guessing "short console" is a.k.a. consolette on stick cars?

Finally-
We have more Dark Saddle Poly #22534 -in a flat finish- on other parts.
The list these parts as:
Upper instrument panel - painted
Grill rear window defroster, rear seat speaker, package shelf
Guidematic. Front speaker grill
Windshield lower frame - (exposed end area)
Compartment front panel

I'm guessing they did some flat paint along under the bases of windows to keep glare down.
You don't see shiny dashes and lower trim because it reflects on the window blocking visibility.
As for how that would work for us,
It's going to be tricky because there's another guy wielding the spray gun.
-Might- just go ahead and shoot the brown stuff myself,
Or maybe have him shoot the dash and all the regular gloss saddle,
Then re-mask and shoot the few flat corners at the window bases?
We'll see how the guy feels.
Exactly the kind of stuff to drive a painter crazy...  :icon_biggrin:
(He does restomods)
The chances of me being there while he's shooting to get that right are near nil.

So...
Anybody know what "upper instrument panel - painted" is?
How about "compartment front panel"?


Guessing what's next is getting a bit of paint.
pint of Saddle in gloss,
half-pint of Dark Saddle in gloss
half-pint of Dark Saddle in flat

So, some spray-outs, and dig out all of our interior parts to be painted.
Wash them all up really well and haul them all out into the sun.
-Maybe- with some help, we can identify which interior parts are dark saddle.

As to where the interior gets the flat paint,
We'll just have to wing it.
It's all flat paint 60 years later on this car.
It sat outside.

Think I'm on the right track?
Even on the right train??  :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:
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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #170 on: April 04, 2025, 11:07:07 AM »
Anybody have an original car with the interior out handy?

Care to take a peek at the interior paint spray in there for me?
I'm 68% sure ours is factory original,
But anything is possible.

After this week, all of that will be gone forever, blasted away into the wind!  :angel4:

Also,
Koch's is doing our steering wheel.
They asked if we wanted the center horn button area chromed.
Ours look like they were painted silver,
But, maybe they're both just super old and flat nasty..  :confused4:

Were those horn buttons shiny chrome origianally?


Thanks again for all of the help gentlemen.

I know I'm being a neurotic nut about this stuff,
But we want this car to be restored, not restroyed!  :violent5:

Don't wanna be "that guy".
That PO....
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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #171 on: April 04, 2025, 11:09:21 AM »
....

So...
Anybody know what "upper instrument panel - painted" is?
How about "compartment front panel"?
....
Upper Inst panel is the strip between the windshield and dash pad. It may be textured instead of smooth paint?
I'd have to research to other stuff.

Instead of buying a flat paint, you can use flat clear over the color.

Here's a pic of my '65 vert with Saddle interior.
Walt K
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66 GS Silver Mist/black 401 4 spd
66 GS Flame Red/black 401 5 spd
66 GS Saddle Mist/black 401 L76 auto
66 Special Flame Red/black 300 5 spd
65 GS vert Verde Green/ Saddle buckets 401 4 spd
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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #172 on: April 06, 2025, 11:37:23 AM »
Thanks for the help gentlemen.
Takes a village.

Took a bunch of pics and that's that.
No turning back now.

Friday after work some of the guys stopped by to help the boss with his project.
Wheeled it out to the street, then picked it up, while I un-bolted the rotisserie.
Tossed it into the trailer just like that!  :icon_biggrin:

Our plan is another big drive day on Wednesday.
To Sacramento to drop off all the sheet metal for blast and interior parts to the chromer,
Then up to Grass Valley to retrieve the engine.

Big step!
Not too long before we go from "take apart" to "put back together".  :cheers2:

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« Reply #173 on: April 06, 2025, 04:38:45 PM »
Thank you for sharing your photos and commentary!!  :hello2:

Thanks for the help gentlemen.
Takes a village.
. . . .

So true!


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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #174 on: April 11, 2025, 10:42:41 AM »
Ah, man...
Interior paint is proving harder than anticipated.

Took the three paint codes to two different auto paint stores.
Both my local PPG and DuPont dealers couldn't cross-reference the three Saddle codes i found.
Ditzler 13003, GM W60A3310, or DuPont 4626-L
Batting a big goose egg on all counts.  :BangHead:

Got to visit with Russ Martin the other day,
He's owned four '65s and just shot his saddle interior.
Said that you really can't know what's correct because Mother Buick changed it up.
They might have used dark saddle on one car but not on another.
His car the interior was all saddle, no 'dark saddle' anywhere.
He also wasn't familiar with their supposed use of flat paint around windows.

So who knows?  :dontknow: :dontknow:
At this point I'd be happy to just get any saddle!

On a happier note,
We got the latest version of the Numbers book.  :glasses9:
I'm sure you guys all have a copy of that one.
Think how much less I'll be bugging y'all with part number questions!  :icon_biggrin:



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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #175 on: April 11, 2025, 11:37:21 AM »
Hi, quick Google Check  everest automotive  paint  site  says it has the factory colors .that said every plant got paint where avaliable  dupont, rm,ppg  how rushed the painter was .what day of the week it was.Jim
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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #176 on: April 11, 2025, 08:31:15 PM »
Buddy,
I’ve not seen the 60th Anniversary booklet you posted. Where can I get a copy?
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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #177 on: April 12, 2025, 01:08:38 PM »
Hopefully it is a revised version of the pre-publication I reviewed a couple of years back.

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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #178 on: April 12, 2025, 05:10:00 PM »
Buddy,
I’ve not seen the 60th Anniversary booklet you posted. Where can I get a copy?

Found it.

  https://gsbythenumbers.com/shop/ols/products/1965-gran-sport-60th-anniversary
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Re: Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop
« Reply #179 on: April 29, 2025, 12:51:03 PM »
Ack!

Buddy is driving to LA tomorrow and can drop off our chrome to D&R.

Under the gun to get it all ready -today-...

Anybody know how the headlight switch knob comes off?

Do i dare grab the stick and thread the knob off?
Pop open the switch body itself and get it from inside?

Ack!
Don't want to hurt the thing......!  :icon_salut:
 :help:

Anybody out there can help this poor fool?
Big thanks again as always gentlemen.