Buddy's Beauty - 65GS Hardtop

[Loren At 65GS]

I would suspect so. Tinted glass was an option that was available on both A/C and non A/C cars. Tinted glass was NOT part of the A/C option from the factory. It was an added cost on both.

  Loren

[Clatter]

 

[Clatter]

Ah, man.. Need help from a 65 GS expert right about now.   

Body-to-frame rubber mounts.
Ordered up a complete set for 65 GTO from Ames Pontiac.
Figured they were the same, and a good source for the right stuff.

Now I'm not so sure...

Are the GTO and our GS different?
Or are we just dealing with what the aftermarket has to offer us now?
Where to get correct rubber mounts?

The factory-replica bolts and big flat washers from Ames are lovely.

But check out this weirdness with the mounts near the rear axle (pic1).
There are captive nuts welded inside the support rails under the body there (pic2).
Rubber mounts are just flat on top and don't have bolts into these nuts (pic3)
The body just sits on these - even though there's a place for bolts?   

The Ames mounts are pretty good quality it seems.
And while it's hard to tell if they are correct or not because the originals are all squooshed,
I'm thinking maybe they can be made to work?

Perhaps it's an upgrade to actually have these mounts near the rear end actually bolt up?

Ugh.
Here i was all stoked to get the good stuff and have it just work,
but they're so different than what i removed.

Let me know if any of you guys have crossed this bridge before.
Please and thanks,
Steve

[Clatter]

Also, trying to figure out what color the interior is on our parts car.
Colorblind guy here, remember...

Shows the trim code as TR 133.

That's not listed on our decoder here:
https://65gs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1965-Buick-VIN-plate.pdf

Anybody know the answer to this riddle?

[Jimbo]

Code TR133 is the code I have on my Skylark. My original interior was Fawn.
Ames were the body mounts I used and did a bolt mount instead of a solid puck.

[WkillGS]

Body mounts.... oh boy, that can be a long one!
Bill and I had a discussion over on V8Buick, take a look:
https://v8buick.com/index.php?threads/my-66-gs-hardtop-body-mounts.290996/

I've bought kits from Year One, CARS, and Ground Up. All had the same generic bushings and washers that will fit/work.
If you want correct looking bolts, Ground Up includes flanged bolts that aren't a perfect match but it's a nice kit for around $70, includes the mounts and bolts.
Inline Tube supposedly has correct repo bolts. They may be the AMK Products bolts, which are the best available for 'correctness'.

My '66 used the generic style mounts in the front and sides. The mount in front of the rear wheels has a smaller diameter hole in the frame, the rubber mount had to be trimmed to fit. The mount above the rear axle has a 'puck' style like this one from Restoration Specialties:
https://www.restorationspecialties.com/20024-BUM-Sold-Individually_p_36813.html
Or CARS:
https://oldbuickparts.com/?target=search&mode=search&substring=bm11&including=all
It presses in, no bolts required.

The mounts behind the rear wheels and at the rear crossmember were a larger diameter than the generic kit mounts.
They can be bought individually from CARS and/or Restoration Specialties.
https://oldbuickparts.com/?target=search&mode=search&substring=body%20mount&including=all
https://www.restorationspecialties.com/search.asp?keyword=Rubber+Body+Mount

[Clatter]

Code TR133 is the code I have on my Skylark. My original interior was Fawn.
Ames were the body mounts I used and did a bolt mount instead of a solid puck.

Excellent.
Had a hunch - thanks for confirming.

Did the car have a Fawn colored steering wheel as well?

The wheel in our parts Skylark almost looks Saddle to me... 

Maybe it's just my wishful thinking because the parts car has a way nicer wheel. 
One of the great things about being colorblind is things can be any color you want..! 

[Clatter]

Walt, you're the king!     

Exactly what we had going on here.
SO nice to have others help me cross the bridge (and to know I'm not crazy).

Before we put a blasted and powder-coat-primered shell on a frame for 100s of hours of metalwork, mockup, shimming, gapping and blocking,
A guy sure doesn't want a bunch of the wrong size mounts under it!

[BuickGS65]

Ah, man.. Need help from a 65 GS expert right about now.   

Body-to-frame rubber mounts.
Ordered up a complete set for 65 GTO from Ames Pontiac.
Figured they were the same, and a good source for the right stuff.

Now I'm not so sure...

Are the GTO and our GS different?
Or are we just dealing with what the aftermarket has to offer us now?
Where to get correct rubber mounts?

The factory-replica bolts and big flat washers from Ames are lovely.

But check out this weirdness with the mounts near the rear axle (pic1).
There are captive nuts welded inside the support rails under the body there (pic2).
Rubber mounts are just flat on top and don't have bolts into these nuts (pic3)
The body just sits on these - even though there's a place for bolts?   

The Ames mounts are pretty good quality it seems.
And while it's hard to tell if they are correct or not because the originals are all squooshed,
I'm thinking maybe they can be made to work?

Perhaps it's an upgrade to actually have these mounts near the rear end actually bolt up?

Ugh.
Here i was all stoked to get the good stuff and have it just work,
but they're so different than what i removed.

Let me know if any of you guys have crossed this bridge before.
Please and thanks,
Steve

Steve -

This sticky thread should be a great resource for you.  Body mount referenced in that thread here: https://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,2177.msg37026.html#msg37026

[Clatter]

Been busy at it.
Still posting the "story" stuff on V8.
Mostly because Buddy's friends can get on and see the pics without an account.
Most of you guys are on there anyways, right?
https://v8buick.com/index.php?threads/buddy%E2%80%99s-beauty-%E2%80%9865-gs-build.393837/page-6#post-3553630

Saving the nerdy details for the REAL 65GS experts! 

Matt Martin sent this pic saying the block was:
"Originally an LT block factory re-stamped for the GS Skylark".
"Have heard of some GS Skylark blocks being stamped like that but first time seeing it".

Any of you guys have back-story on this phenomenon?

[BuickGS65]

Been busy at it.
Still posting the "story" stuff on V8.
Mostly because Buddy's friends can get on and see the pics without an account.
Most of you guys are on there anyways, right?
https://v8buick.com/index.php?threads/buddy%E2%80%99s-beauty-%E2%80%9865-gs-build.393837/page-6#post-3553630

Saving the nerdy details for the REAL 65GS experts! 

Matt Martin sent this pic saying the block was:
"Originally an LT block factory re-stamped for the GS Skylark".
"Have heard of some GS Skylark blocks being stamped like that but first time seeing it".

Any of you guys have back-story on this phenomenon?

https://65gs.com/engine-codes/

Details there

[Clatter]

Ah, man.. Need help from a 65 GS expert right about now.   

Body-to-frame rubber mounts.
Ordered up a complete set for 65 GTO from Ames Pontiac.
Figured they were the same, and a good source for the right stuff.

Now I'm not so sure...

Are the GTO and our GS different?
Or are we just dealing with what the aftermarket has to offer us now?
Where to get correct rubber mounts?

The factory-replica bolts and big flat washers from Ames are lovely.

But check out this weirdness with the mounts near the rear axle (pic1).
There are captive nuts welded inside the support rails under the body there (pic2).
Rubber mounts are just flat on top and don't have bolts into these nuts (pic3)
The body just sits on these - even though there's a place for bolts?   

The Ames mounts are pretty good quality it seems.
And while it's hard to tell if they are correct or not because the originals are all squooshed,
I'm thinking maybe they can be made to work?

Perhaps it's an upgrade to actually have these mounts near the rear end actually bolt up?

Ugh.
Here i was all stoked to get the good stuff and have it just work,
but they're so different than what i removed.

Let me know if any of you guys have crossed this bridge before.
Please and thanks,
Steve

Steve -

This sticky thread should be a great resource for you.  Body mount referenced in that thread here: https://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,2177.msg37026.html#msg37026

Ah, man.. Thanks for that!

Here i tweaked my back AGAIN!!   
Didn't even move anything heavy or lift anything or...

Making my kid measure holes and mounts,
Drawing up a little picture with all of the kid measurements written in
(Different than just measurements  ).

Now I'm stuck in bed ALL DAY not even able to stand without agony.
Crawling to the toilet on my hands and knees... SUCKS!
Got SO much great work to do out there now that we have panels all ready.

Able to take my time and measure and shop and get this right.
Check out how i have my bed all set up as an office. 

All thanks to you fine gentlemen providing the means to do so.
Maybe an opportunity... Force me to slow down and actually suss this out.
Research and parts ordering is a crucial part of the job.
Right?
 

[elagache]

Dear Clatter and mid-60s Buick preservationists,

. . . .
Here i tweaked my back AGAIN!!   
Didn't even move anything heavy or lift anything or...
. . .

Sorry to hear about your back!  All you can do is baby it and give it time to heal.  All I can offer you is sympathy!

Take care!

Edouard

[kcombs]

Lower back pain. What my pt recommended was  pillow behind my back when sitting, I use a pillow roll down low in the small of my back. I take very little ibuprofen as I have had stomach problems since 1964. I do one exercise where I am on my hands and knees and I bow my back downward and then upwards. There more exercises I have probably forgotten. (I have the pillow roll down low behind me right now)

[WkillGS]

....

Matt Martin sent this pic saying the block was:
"Originally an LT block factory re-stamped for the GS Skylark".
"Have heard of some GS Skylark blocks being stamped like that but first time seeing it".

Any of you guys have back-story on this phenomenon?

One of my 66 GS's also has the engine stamping 'corrected'. For 66, the standard 401 was a MT code, while the Skylark GS was a MR. Skylark GS's also got a red painted 401. There have been rumors some early cars got sold with a green 401.
This car was built at the Fremont plant. The vin stamping matches the car and there were no traces of green paint on the engine, I've concluded it's the original engine.