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Offline 35chevcoupe

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Neutral safety switch ?
« on: March 04, 2021, 03:28:00 PM »
Just wondering where everyone is getting their neutral safety switches and what shape the connector is suppose to be ?
 I'm seeing 3 different spade connector configurations , a side by side , a T type connector and one that's has the terminals at 90 degrees from each other .
Also are both wires purple ?
John Evenson

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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2021, 02:19:30 PM »
John,

 Manual transmission cars in '65 didn't have a neutral safety switch. Yes, both wires are 12 gauge purple and the ones I've seen had a "U" shaped jumper on some . I've also had harnesses that the purple wire just looped out of the fuse block and back in with no break in the wire.
 The automatic transmission cars have had some different configurations also. For column shift automatics there is a short pair coming out of the main harness because the switch is near the bottom of the column. A floor shift automatic could have a tail coming out of the main harness  with a connector about where the radio is. On this style harness , the console has a separate harness for the reverse lights and the neutral safety switch with a connector for the lights in the console. I have also seen '65 Gran Sport automatic cars that the wires to the console are solid all the way to the neutral safety switch.

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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2021, 09:10:02 PM »
Loren , my mistake !
Meant to say back up light switch . Too many late nights without sleep i guess . I see in the manual the switch is the same for 3 and 4 speeds .
John Evenson

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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2021, 08:37:15 AM »
John,
 I believe you are correct. I will see what I can find in the parts book.
Being Olds and Pontiac used the same 3 speed, I wonder if Fusick might have what is needed for the mount

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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2021, 11:51:08 AM »
Loren ,  I didn't see anything in Fusick , I did see a switch in Ames and it looks like it will work . If anything ill just remove the plastic molded connector if it is wrong and replace it with the correct one .
I have a bracket that the switch mounts to , its bent up a little bit but ill salvage it . Are you still planning to put a 3 speed in ur post car ?
The bracket looks like it may not be to hard to reproduce if you need one .
John Evenson

1930 model A 4 dr sedan
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55 chev belair wagon 4dr
59 Buick Invicta 2 dr hd top
65 Buick GS 2 dr ht 3 spd
65 Buick GS Convertible 3 spd
1970 Cuda 440-6
71 Buick GS
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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2021, 06:02:08 PM »
John,  if it's the same switch and connector that the 4-speed uses, here's what I bought that has the correct connector:

https://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/product/buick-skylark-gs-regal-gn-backup-light-switch-assembly-4-speed/19659

I also bought a bracket that worked well, but it appears you already have one.  At any rate, I believe this is the bracket:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevy-Backup-Lights-Switch-Bracket-T-10-Trans-55-72/350404239913?hash=item5195b86229:g:r9cAAOxyZw5RZVON

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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2021, 06:47:16 PM »
Chuck , The Faxon manual shows the 3 and 4 speed to be the same part number for the switch just different mounting bracket .
This is the 3 speed bracket and I'm guessing it may be hard to find . Looked in the Fusick and Ames catalog and didn't see it .
Where did you get your clutch rod boot that goes thru the firewall ? I may order that at the same time , I see Ames perf has both .
John Evenson

1930 model A 4 dr sedan
35 chev coupe 2 dr Master Deluxe suicide dr,s
55 chev belair wagon 4dr
59 Buick Invicta 2 dr hd top
65 Buick GS 2 dr ht 3 spd
65 Buick GS Convertible 3 spd
1970 Cuda 440-6
71 Buick GS
84 chev 3/4 ton p/u 6.2 diesel
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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2021, 08:17:06 PM »
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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2021, 08:36:38 PM »
GM part # 9777322 - Bracket ??
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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2021, 08:49:28 PM »
I found some photos on a GTO site same switch as ours.

https://www.gtoforum.com/threads/67-gto-3-speed-dearborn-reverse-light-switch-help.136547/
Yup that's the same one . I would imagine olds pont and buick all used the same bracket as long as they were equipped with the dearborn 3 speed . The light duty 3 speed is probably different than the HD 3 speed .
John Evenson

1930 model A 4 dr sedan
35 chev coupe 2 dr Master Deluxe suicide dr,s
55 chev belair wagon 4dr
59 Buick Invicta 2 dr hd top
65 Buick GS 2 dr ht 3 spd
65 Buick GS Convertible 3 spd
1970 Cuda 440-6
71 Buick GS
84 chev 3/4 ton p/u 6.2 diesel
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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2021, 05:50:56 PM »
Loren ,  I didn't see anything in Fusick , I did see a switch in Ames and it looks like it will work . If anything ill just remove the plastic molded connector if it is wrong and replace it with the correct one .
I have a bracket that the switch mounts to , its bent up a little bit but ill salvage it . Are you still planning to put a 3 speed in ur post car ?
The bracket looks like it may not be to hard to reproduce if you need one .

 John,
Being the GS was originally a 3 speed car,  I still plan to go with the 3 speed. I also need to find a drive shaft. Do you know what the length is?

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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2021, 07:55:11 PM »
Loren ,  I'm still working on the drive shaft length . I do have a driveshaft here but seems a little long . The Faxon manual shows a different part number between 3 spd and 4 spd but not sure if the shaft its self is different or just the yoke .
Looks like 3 spd is suppose to have a red and blue stripe and the 4 spd has a white and purple . Maybe someone with a 4 spd can measure the length of they're 4 spd from where it mounts to the face of the bell housing to the end of the tailshaft . I wouldn't be surprised if the were the same length , maybe the only difference is the slip yoke .
John Evenson

1930 model A 4 dr sedan
35 chev coupe 2 dr Master Deluxe suicide dr,s
55 chev belair wagon 4dr
59 Buick Invicta 2 dr hd top
65 Buick GS 2 dr ht 3 spd
65 Buick GS Convertible 3 spd
1970 Cuda 440-6
71 Buick GS
84 chev 3/4 ton p/u 6.2 diesel
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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2021, 07:08:26 PM »
So my back up light switch arrived today but I must be missing something . Are these just a generic switch that we have get an ACME adapter kit for also ? or is there an extension wire that is suppose to there between the factory plug and the switch terminals .
Last time i tried to plug a female spade connector into a female round connector it didn't work very well .
John Evenson

1930 model A 4 dr sedan
35 chev coupe 2 dr Master Deluxe suicide dr,s
55 chev belair wagon 4dr
59 Buick Invicta 2 dr hd top
65 Buick GS 2 dr ht 3 spd
65 Buick GS Convertible 3 spd
1970 Cuda 440-6
71 Buick GS
84 chev 3/4 ton p/u 6.2 diesel
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Re: Neutral safety switch ?
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2021, 08:36:31 PM »
Switch should have two Lead wires with water proof connections at least that’s what they said! There should be two lead wires that come off the engine side of the firewall fuse box and run down underneath also with water proof connectors that the switch side should plug into! One side female other side male
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