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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #975 on: February 20, 2020, 05:57:41 PM »
I opened a cold one today; a 12 oz. Coke in a plastic bottle and it immediately became ice. I was dying of thirst painting too... I actually went inside and grabbed a water;yuck! Fish do bad things in that stuff LOL :sad4:

Im not afraid of work. I'll lay down right beside it!

Thanks for that vote of confidence Tony! There's not much else to do all winter long except watch TV and get fatter. Summertime is when the finished stuff comes out and gets driven. As you can tell, Im out there almost daily. Pats grounded from the shop. She's an ex smoker and has COPD. The smoke, dust and fumes out there tear her up. Just me and my google radio. I play some weird music all day, and unless Achmed calls from Bopal for boner meds, I get to work undisturbed. WTF... I'm already disturbed LOL...

I need to get this guy done so I can swing onto some boat work. Our summer only lasts about 5 weeks up here, so ya hafta take advantage of that  window. Maybe next year I'll convert an old Greyhound bus into a camper with room for the BADLASS and the shovelhead and 3 dogs so we can take a vacation. Just killed off a big bowl of homemade Goulash and garlic bread. Ready for round 2 haha. Na.. this fight is gonna be a decision. Im done for the day. Tomorrow is Dustless Friday. Wet sanding and a damp towel. You all know where this is heading right??

So at the end of the day grab yourself a cold one and give yourself a well deserved pat on the back!

Hey Ed... I'll take a PAT on the front anyday hahaha... Bill

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #976 on: February 21, 2020, 12:54:38 AM »
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #977 on: February 21, 2020, 11:25:52 AM »
So I tried an experimental wet sanding patch. 400, 320, and 800. Would you believe the 400 gave better/faster results?  Nice flat spot on the hood. You can still see the 400 sanding pattern, but man is it smooth!   Bill
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #978 on: February 21, 2020, 04:44:58 PM »
Back in the darkroom; these wire photos' just in...  Aside from both hands finally giving out last night from the rheumatoid arthritis, I kinda had to take it easy today. Got a brace on my left wrist, so that had to stay dry. The patch on the hood was about 10 minutes worth of 400 wet on a sanding sponge. It took longer than expected, but then I tried 300 next to it and after 10 minutes I could still see the spray pattern in the finish. I cant see the whole car getting done using fingertips. Is there another trick I dont know about? Years ago I had a 1/4 sheet air powered jitterbug that I wished I had now.

The passenger side "C" pillar also looked good. I didnt do the sail panel, just the area next to the glass. Its hard to show result with pics; how far should I go?? I can get 3230 paper for the 5" DA. Should I knock it down with that first, staying away from the damn edges?? I am just wondering how much "texture" is gonna show through the BC/CC...

Got the new "better" gun apart and cleaned. Dang near the same chinastructions as the 9.99 gun, but the quality actually looks better. We'll see how that plays out after some more sanding haha... Already need a fingernail transplant.   Bill

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #979 on: February 22, 2020, 01:04:44 AM »
Thing I found out about sanding is it is a "nuanced dance" with paper type, grit, the medium being sanded and a variable you only find out in the process. (but you already knew all of that).

The sanding paper will either block up, (and might as well be sanding with $20 bills), or cut too much, leaving scratches, and either re-spraying, or chasing with the next lighter paper.

You know you have to find the best paper, wet/dry, pressure and how far you can go before tossing that rag on the ground, matched to the surface/medium you have laid down, is the "formula", and it is almost always a whole new gig, with a new type of materials and tools/conditions your working with.

You and I, know, it's how it is. No surprises, but perseverance and being an anal type personality, your gonna prevail in the end.

And still, some snot nosed punk will never realize the craftsmanship and dedication to craft, that went into the thing. But you know, and some old shit will walk up, look at your ride, glance at you, and you will know, he knows.'

And, that is enough.

Keep on, keepin' on...
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #980 on: February 22, 2020, 03:07:29 AM »
Thanks for that MIKE! I guess I just havent picked up the rhythm of the dance yet LOL. I just look at 15 minutes worth of a 2x2 section on the hood and turn around and look at the whole car and think to myself WTF. I am however beginning to grasp why guys are getting 10-15K for a paint job! Even more so with a decent trunk monkey habitat (! LOL) and a headliner. In boiler parlance, my waterglass is empty and there's a raging fire in the firebox. Neither is good and BOTH are catastrophic!

I guess the objective here is not to face the big job, just one panel at a time, right? I was getting used to zipping around the car in 3 hours and calling it done. This aspect is gonna be more like 3 days. Grin and bear it right? I think Sunday on the way home from the swap meet, Im gonna stop and  pick up a new jitterbug from HF. Plug, play and toss for 20.00. Its gonna save my hands I hope. Them paws are killing me!  Bill
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #981 on: February 22, 2020, 07:38:27 PM »
Kinda weird, but at Crack auto today i was looking at wet paper and they ranged from 180 to 320. Im looking for about 280. That should give me easy results. I did the whole roof today with 320 and a few spots were a little ruff yet. Gonna try the jitterbug (wet) and see what the 320 does. I just didnt have any chutzpah left in my arms yet. Still recovering.

So I just found myself running the mouse on the desktop in little circles. Hmm. Need a shrink next LOL...

So the final got wiped with a damp towel, then rinsed and wrung, and wiped again. A damp paper towel finished it off before a blow dry from the furnace above. What should I use for tack wipe? 2X primer reducer, or mineral spirits?  Bill

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #982 on: February 22, 2020, 08:35:08 PM »
   Hi Bill, You should find out from the company that you purchased the paint from what to use. Whenever I have a paint question I try to pull up the Tech-Data sheets from the company on the internet. Look on the can or bottle it may tell you the website address to get more info. If not wait till Monday and call the company OR call an auto body supply shop near you.
  I use a panel prep from PPG called Acryli-Clean DX-330 before I paint. I use it to clean off any wax, grease or finger prints that I may have left.
Don't use Mineral Spirits it has a oily residue that will make a mess out of your hard work. It's good for cleaning paint brushes, de-greasing parts and cleaning tar from rims. Otherwise keep it far away from expensive auto body paints & primers. You have gotten this far without any major problems, find out before you base coat.. :thumbsup:

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #983 on: February 23, 2020, 03:27:04 AM »
Thats great advice Tony! Thanks!! I couldnt believe that a small fingerprint or even an "arm rest" would leave a smudge that an aggressive rub with a hot towel would not clear. I just didnt want to use anything that would compromise the primer. Going to a big swap meet today and there generally a few paint guys there. Im sure I can find a comparable prep wash along with a better choice of wet paper. I really am leaning towards 280 to get the primer flat and possibly 320 or 400 to get it smooth.

Hopefully a jitterbug will aid in the hands from getting wrecked. That Rheumatoid arthritis really nailed me for the last few days. The RA is weird; I can do stuff all day with out any problems, than reach for a screwdriver in the box and BAMM! I'm done for. Its like a shot of 3 phase 480V volt juice for a split second, and hopefully nothing critical in that hand to drop and bust! That dang brace is a lifesaver but takes up a lot of room LOL...Its like going from sandals to lace up work boots.  Bill



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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #984 on: February 23, 2020, 06:42:41 AM »
Bill, Be sure your paint area is clean and free of anything that could be kicked up or blown around and wind up floating into your paint before the final steps. I have always used Prep-Sol to remove wax, grease, etc before painting parts, panels, cars. A lint free rag is soaked in cleaner and wiped on the surface. A dry lint free rag follows in the the other hand to wipe off the solvent before it dries. Then tack cloth the entire object to be painted and hit it with your paint!   

I have also found I like the lint free rags when wet sanding. A cloth in a 5 gallon bucket of water will last for days! The cloth is wrung out after after sanding and wiped over the area. This cleans the area and will clue you in as to weather the surface is ready for paint. 

Most BC/CC paints are used with a final sanding in 320 before BC, but check the directions for your paint. The paint needs the fine scratches to anchor and will flatten above them.  A mirror surface is not what you are after: runs and lifting can occur.     
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #985 on: February 24, 2020, 05:41:36 AM »
Hey Dr. Frank... I am going to attack this puppy today with a new sense of ZEAL. I picked up a jitterbug yesterday at the swap meet for 19.00; not in a box but you can tell it never had paper on it. I'm gonna stay with the 320 paper and let the sander make the slurry. I agree that the shop needs to be operating room clean, and frequently go through it just sweeping the floor and blowing dust of the walls. The biggest part is when its all done the big door get opened a foot or so and all the crap gets blown outside and gone. Im heating with a 150K BtU gas furnace and have been using cheap filters. I can pull those out and air blow them clean outside, and they look like new, however after the last clean on paint day, I have a single HEPA filter to install for a final air purification. Man how I hate dust!

So if the sander works like it should, Im gonna see some results this week. The heaviest overspray and roughness is all on the horizontal stuff (hood and trunk) so I can let the sanders' weight do the work. Should be interesting!   Bill- a slave to the grind!
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #986 on: February 25, 2020, 04:34:50 PM »
Jumping Jehoshaphat (I had to look that one up!!)

Yeah, we all appreciate a good time right? I finished up with that wet sanding yesterday and was walking out the door, and as I reached inside to turn the lights off, and appreciate my fine crapsmanship, I noticed another issue. So help me gosh, the moon, sun, and stars lined up with the sunshine to let me see this. Believe you me, as much as I love bondo dust on a burger to go, and was TOTALLY in there before and longboarded day after day, this bastard reared its fugly head.

Mind you, this side was checked off as done with wet sanding etc. and ready for color. I had to grin and bear it and get out there this morning and open it up. The very back end that was crushed in turned out pretty well, but there was a marginal spot there as well, so while I was in there, I killed two birds with one stone.

Three hours later, of course, I mixed my primer, shot it THRICE, and spent an hour cleaning the gun; again. Im gonna sand this guy tomorrow with wet 400 totally by hand. I dont need any more burn throughs on the primer, or any underlying surprises again. Good Gosh Gerdy... Am I done yet???  Bill









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BADLASS appreciates da' luv'! (Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455)
« Reply #987 on: February 26, 2020, 01:21:40 PM »
Dear Bill and resourceful mid-60s Buick caregivers,

Jumping Jehoshaphat (I had to look that one up!!)

Ya' see!
  The Internet isn't completely useless after all!!  :laughing7:

Sorry about the additional "issuez," but I'm sure BADLASS appreciates all da' luv! . . . . .  :love4:

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14:

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #988 on: February 26, 2020, 01:55:45 PM »
Thanks Ed! Its just the NBO (National Buick Owners) playoffs; the anals versus the shouldadoneitwhileI'mintheres. I like both teams, but Im glad I won! Im still in the shop with wrinkled fingers. Just COMPLETED the wet sanding part. The whole job was power sanded with 400.  Tomorrow is cleaning shop including adding some florescent lights,  and Friday Im dating Pat; doctors, breakfast, pistol range and the meat market.  Bill

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« Reply #989 on: February 27, 2020, 04:36:04 PM »
Got some stuff ready for "The Big game" this weekend; I hope.  Two free 4 foot lights. Had to wire them and hang'em. Certainly helped the "Illuminati"  :overthetop: Went well over that side. No runs, no hits, no errors... Bill

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