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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #885 on: January 18, 2020, 12:00:27 PM »
Yeah man... I am always on the lookout at new car colors. The cars suck, but theres some wild paint on them!

I did get a few pics of the old stuff coming down and I see that tail hanging down. Thats not a problem to stuff it up with cement, but if it needs a strain to hold it taught, I may hafta put a few cheater screws through the sail panel; strategic of course!  Oval head phillips with finish washers in stainless of course!   Bill





 
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #886 on: January 18, 2020, 01:12:47 PM »
Bill,
At this stage I can see you and my dad at the bar trying to explain the cost savings of enamel,lacquer,single stage urethane,etc....all while drinking the flat,outdated,draft beer because it is only fifty cents. I get it.....but NO.....You have spent all this time working so you can rest and have a beer so spend just a tad bit and get a foamy one. Base coat/clear coat is the ONLY way to paint a nice car if using metallic colors. Single stage urethane or hardened enamel only works for solid(non metallic colors). You can not paint a car that you will be happy with the final result without a final polishing. This is not possible without clear over metallics. So you either have to pick a solid color or plan on clearing. There has been too much preparation to dump draft beer on it and it adds NOTHING to a restored car. The best advice you have gotten is to look at the NASON products. I can buy a gallon of clear urethane and activator here for $140(enough to paint whole car). You can base in color with DuPont,ppg, autocolor,RM,just about anything as long as it is an automotive bc/cc system and cover it with four coats of nason. Four coats is overkill,but it lets you sand and polish until you can count the hairs on your head(literally) and when you are done,you have added UV protection and value to your effort. You are at the point where you will have a clean show car or an old car that has been painted. My friend has a 64 special that his dad bought new....just got hosed(according to his other buddy)because the body shop hit him $9200 to paint it. I recently saw it and had to get a laugh.... I said, ?wow,they sure hosed you good,they turned your $4000 Buick into a $20,000 car.?   He got WAY more than he paid for...they literally took it apart and put it back together bc/cc and you can not see where it has had any paint work done. The difference in materials price has nothing to do with the $9200....you have already did the work....buy good paint.

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #887 on: January 18, 2020, 05:51:56 PM »
BLATZ the beer refreshing! Hey, at least its pasteurized LOL...  :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright: Yeah, the more I  think about it, I really should go with a BC/CC. This whole process is gonna start out with a few coats of black primer WELL sanded. Any thoughts on that? I was going to get a few quarts up at napa in town. I have several gallons of reducer for it (napa brand) so I can cheap out there and not get a hangover. Ill just hafta deal with that Beer Parlor Palor. Ever hear of that one? Thats when you have zero tan from always sitting in a dark tavern; Ill look kinda gray after the primer Im sure!

Please keep beating me up on the paint deal. Yeah, cost is a factor, but then this aint no tractor! Maybe I should keep my daytime job eh?

So today Im a top and trim guy. This is the third full day of headlining. My pal is coming over at noon to help set the glass, so this has to be done. Im getting an early start tomorrow, so no calls OK? Right now I am at about the 80% stage. All the front windlace is on and cloth trimmed with no wrinkles. Pucker string tight! I played midget today in the back seat (yeah right!) and got the whole thing pulled tight and have the rear windlace in place so the glue will hold on its own, Ill pop that off and trim the cloth in the morning. The pics show some major wrinkles at the back window. I came in for coffee at 5 p.m. and mulled it over; I went back out and pulled the last panel down for another stretch. That glue was AH tight already! Glad I bit the weenie on that one. Sail panels and rear shelf in the morning and its gonna be glass time. THEN, I can commence sanding etc. Cant wait to do something different LOL...

Had to show off the "charm knife" I made too. Its all nice and smooth for pushing that cloth wayyy up into the channel, then the windlace is a breeze.  Bill



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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #888 on: January 18, 2020, 07:00:03 PM »
Went to the UP a couple years ago and they still had BLATZ.....I prefer it over most anything.....scary stuff here. I'm getting off subject so I will add that the lower cost epoxy primers can be reduced and used as sealer for a final coat before spraying color. Probably one quart with activator can be reduced to spray a nice even coat over whole car. This will stop any A-whole rings(as we used to call them)where sanded edges meet sanded edges.

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« Reply #889 on: January 18, 2020, 07:42:26 PM »
YUP... Blatz and Hamms. Actually I drink Left Hand Brewing co.s' Nitro Stout. Frosted mug and then tune up with scripted meds for pain of all things. Hmmm

So far Ive been using sandable primer from a spray can. All the worked areas have about 3-4 coats sanded in between.  No rings on this guys' work haha. Cant wait to get the whole car sanded, then dusted with a test spray and long boarded for the final approach. Im sure Ill have a few hundred questions about apps' with a new gun etc. Everything is now new and improved. Gotta go for now... Frozen beer mug and a 45 minute Nitro in the freezer is calling; YUMMM...  Bill
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #890 on: January 19, 2020, 10:07:33 PM »
WELL LAH-TEE-DAH! Fired up the atom smasher at 0700 to get the reactor on line by 0830 so I could get something done. I needed everything done and ready for my pal Jeff to help out with the glass install. That meant finishing the headliner, finishing the windlace, get the sail panels finished and install, AND install a new trim clip set (20 in a pack with screws and I got 19!) so I had to re-use one of the best that survived from the factory. Several had to have the screw holes located and drilled from the new steel work. Then each one took a dab of polysulfide sealant on each screw for leakage prevention.

Just for an FYI, I did by a pair of the rear window trim lower corners; by the time they were trimmed to fit (poorly that is!) there wasnt anything left to use. 15.00 down the crapper.

The frame got primed and a bead of polyurethane window sealer as a base, with the glass having a 5/16 round butyl bead to set into that stuff. Shoot didnt even get to make a mess! Tomorrow I am taking the day off to clean the shop... Vas eine sheist haus. Bill

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Which type of reactor? . . . (Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455)
« Reply #891 on: January 20, 2020, 01:31:32 PM »
Dear Bill and mid-60s Buick owners who insist on potent tools to get their work done,

WELL LAH-TEE-DAH! Fired up the atom smasher at 0700 to get the reactor on line by 0830 so I could get something done.
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. . . . . So which type of reactor did you fire up?  Did you stick to the classic fission type? or did you go with the more asseriive fusion type? or did you all out and go with the Star Trek type matter-antimatter reactor!?!!!! . . . . .

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14:

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« Reply #892 on: January 20, 2020, 06:03:00 PM »
Not to produce conFUSION, lets just  say Ive gone FISSION hahaha... carbon in the summertime with 2 big BUICK motors burnin' fuel, but all winter its strictly green with  "DILITHIUM CRYSTALS Ketptain; arghhh, didja notice how beautiful they are even when they're burned and cracked?" Remember that one Ed?  Bill

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« Reply #893 on: January 22, 2020, 06:53:14 PM »
Since tomorrow is my turn at the doc's office for 4-5 steroid injections in the L5/S1,2,3 joints for the arthritis I had to get something done today. Took the previous 2 days off and ran Pat around for doctors stuff and a few hours blasting away at paper on the pistol range. The deal tomorrow is gonna have me sore for a few days, but wait, thats not all! In another 6 weeks, I get to get knocked out and have the nerve ends burned off; YUMM Radio Frequency Ablation.

So I got the final piece of steel put in and a quick rub with some black primer. Needs a little massage for a happy ending.

Anyhow, been looking around at real paint suppliers (drop shipping of course) and "generally" the complet BC/CC kit in the dark blue metallic is just under 300.00 including shipping. I ordered a color chip card yesterday for 5.00 which should be free, and then signed up for a painting forum. I think one of yooz guys linked it for me; Thanks!  Bill

https://www.paintforcars.com/product/sapphire-blue-metallic-urethane-basecoat-clear-coat-kit-featuring-5-star-clear-coat/

http://www.autobodystore.com/home.shtml

https://shop.thecoatingstore.com/Blue-Ray-Metallic-Basecoat-Clearcoat-Car-Paint-Kit-MGCB333-BCCKIT.htm

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« Reply #894 on: January 23, 2020, 03:45:12 PM »
Dear Bill and mid-60s Buick caregiver who occasionally need some personal TLC.

Since tomorrow is my turn at the doc's office for 4-5 steroid injections in the L5/S1,2,3 joints for the arthritis I had to get something done today. Took the previous 2 days off and ran Pat around for doctors stuff and a few hours blasting away at paper on the pistol range. The deal tomorrow is gonna have me sore for a few days, but wait, thats not all! In another 6 weeks, I get to get knocked out and have the nerve ends burned off; YUMM Radio Frequency Ablation. . . . .


Best of luck on all the medical procedures for you and Pat.  Pain management isn't the science that they claim and everyone has to take their lumps as best they can.

Anyhow, been looking around at real paint suppliers (drop shipping of course) and "generally" the complet BC/CC kit in the dark blue metallic is just under 300.00 including shipping. . . . .


. . . . Sounds like a good deal, but are you absolutely certain about the color?  Wouldn't you want to consider a rich shade of 1965 Buick Seafoam Green instead? . . . . . . . .  Not that I'm biased or anything!! . . . . . . . . .

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14:

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #895 on: January 23, 2020, 04:18:25 PM »
Thanks Ed! Some of them guys are no more than voodoo doctors. Today for the four shots I took was a lidocaine shot into the nerve, then the injection into the nerve itself. "Uncomfortable" comes to mind but not as bad as the "unknown" in the first batch. Already feeling better; Im sure the double xanax at 0700 helped LOL... The next one for the burn job will be with Vers-ed. Nighty night! :sleepy2:

As of now, 1600 hrs, I feel pretty good. Maybe tomorrow, only snow blow the drive and get some bondo grinding done laying on the cement shop floor. Take it easy, ya know??

On the other issue, is there any feed back on the paint suppliers above? Anything local is at least $2X     Bill  :whip2:
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #896 on: January 24, 2020, 06:53:09 AM »
Bill I like the Dupont or their derivatives, but that is because I have always used their stuff and am familiar with it. I saw Eastwood would be comparable in price to the one your kit, but i don't know who is behind their line?

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« Reply #897 on: January 24, 2020, 11:48:17 AM »
Thanks Dr. Frank LOL... Ive used DuPont alpha-cryl a long time ago (lacquer) and a few big name players but the cost is a killer. Take a look at the bottom of one of those links and they say how they can beat the prices. Less ad's and non-sponsors at tracks etc.

Today Im finishing up on the DS bottom fender patch. (2x3") and getting it primed, and a few other minor spots. Its tough typing with gluvs haha!    Bill
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« Reply #898 on: January 24, 2020, 01:37:49 PM »
Nason is an offset of Dupont that can be bought very reasonable compared to DuPont chromabase.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nason-2K-SelectClear-Urethane-Mulit-Panel-Clear-Kit-498-00/173680388243?hash=item2870286893:g:lAsAAOSw5ENbr8pT

Sprays and polishes nice and can use just about any approved base color.

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #899 on: January 25, 2020, 06:20:02 PM »
Just wondering why its been kinda slow around here? I took a day off for the butt cheek shots, and had my game back on the next day. Got the driver side front fender bottom finished and in primer, and moved right along to filling the 6 holes for the venti-ports. Dont think for a second that the panel is flat; it took some doing to get it flat, and it feels good too.

Put on two heavy coats of stripper last night as I was closing up shop on the passenger side rear fender. It was almost dried up this morning, so I douched it again and it came back to life. Scraped it with the razor holder, and a scrub with lacquer thinner on a scrunge pad. It was dry within a minute so the sanding began! Only the bottom half had any work done to it, but they probably painted the whole quarter causing all the cracking in the top coat. I took it all down to steel and it was good stuff. Made the repairs to the bottom which was about 5 trips with the filler and long board to get it right. Thats all done with 3X primer.

I told Pat the job is turning out to be about a "90" right now. Its really looking good. My pal Jeff came by to help move the hood to some horses outside for sanding and "space to move". On the way off the roof, we set it in place minus the hinges and the dang thang set right into position and the latch clicked it shut. Literally a perfect fit, 455 air cleaner and all. I may hafta put a turn buckle on the port side of the motor to keep it from torquing up and hitting the hood. Exspurts??? 

Also got my 4.95 color ship card from a paint supplier. A  tad disappointed in the brilliance, but we hafta look at them in the sun. It was dark:30 when I open it.

Hope everyone is enjoying the lunar new year today! Happy Samhain to everyone!   Bill

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