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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #555 on: June 14, 2019, 05:00:07 PM »
So just out of curiosity, how would you tackle this? Its riveted together and pretty crudy inside, although I did some really light scraping with a Blue Point pic set I've got and blew it clean with air. Disassemble and clean in an ultrasonic cleaner? Rewind the coil if its bad? If I can replace it, its yours, but if not, its a place to land my wires and put a newer relay in parallel with.
  Since you understand the physics of this, with the ground used to close the coil/points, is this how most other relays work? All the instructions Ive seen have a schematic with all kinds of squiggly lines etc.  :hello2:  Thoughts or ideas are welcomed as always!  Bill

Also found a few more Tungsten brand relays today (thats what rainy days are for LOL).

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=vintage+horn+relay&_sacat=6000&_pgn=2

  These are HR16's and the one that sold was an HR 121.  Anything HR 121 that Ive researched shows a late model style relay.
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So what is this relay? (Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455)
« Reply #556 on: June 14, 2019, 05:53:09 PM »
Dear Bill, Loren, Brian, and mid-60s Buick tinkerers,

Glad to hear that you are making progress on Bertha and picking up some bargains along the way.  This might be a stupid question, but I'll ask.  Old Car Parts NW claims to have an NOS horn relay for a 1965.  Here's the link:

https://ocpnw.com/products/nos-horn-relay-made-in-usa-hr142?rq=yr_1965~mk_buick~md_special

Is this the right part?  If so it is a bargain as well.

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14:

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #557 on: June 14, 2019, 05:59:38 PM »
I tried calling twice today and got a one ring automated message that This verizon customer is unavailable, thank you... CLICK! Zero responses to an email as well. Now Ive found a guy thats got two new TUNGSTEN brand NOS parts for 30.00 each (my offer as long as he doesnt try to have forced sex against my will on the shipping), it'll work. We shall see!   Bill

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=vintage+horn+relay&_sacat=6000&_pgn=2
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #558 on: June 14, 2019, 06:14:45 PM »
GREAT! The guy accepted the 30.00 offer, includes shipping and free returns. BUY AMERICAN! This guy must buy out old warehouses... tons of NOS stuff that he doesnt have fitment guides for... check it out. 99.8% positive feedback.  Bill
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #559 on: June 14, 2019, 10:50:31 PM »
Bill.

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The 30 Ohm sender/gauges move a lot.  The 90 Ohm systems were slower reacting and did not tend to fluctuate as much when pulling G's.
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #560 on: June 15, 2019, 04:40:54 AM »
That makes sense Mike... just overly sensitive. Those horns really BLAST!  Missed that horn relay you linked to me by a day but found a few others.  See above posts.
I even called a local guy that inherited his dads' 1950 Shell gas station with a ton of OEM inventory and no luck. 30.00 with free shipping. Today are rear brake shoes. The leaking wheel cylinder saturated the shoes and they glazed over... Getting good at taking stuff apart; especially since its all been cleaned and lubed haha.  Bill
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #561 on: June 15, 2019, 08:55:12 PM »
Glad you found a relay. 


And, yes, those honkers are made of Genuine 100% Canadia Geeseium!   :laughing7:
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #562 on: June 16, 2019, 03:45:37 AM »
I sure am glad no more than two landed by the front door!   ws
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« Reply #563 on: June 16, 2019, 02:58:53 PM »
Sooo... since its kinda slow here today, I thought I'd liven things up a bit LOL. Grinned and beared it and got an early start R&R'ing the rear brake shoes. I figgered with my luck, 1-1/2 hours per side. I get stuff done alright, but you wouldnt wanna pay me by the hour. Doing brakes for an old fat guy on jackstands aint no picnic. Got the wheel and drum off and rolled my shop chair into position, and had the old stuff off in 10 minutes. GREAT... By the time i quit, theres a pile of tools on the floor and Im sitting there too with the guts at face level.

Had to pull out the FRENCH for mechanics Berlitz volume III before I realized the Carquest owners wife ordered me the wrong shoes. This aint the first time. Hmmm. I pulled out the trusty Bible, its Sunday afterall, and found these shoes to be for the fronts. They are 2-1/2" wide and the rears are 2". Hmmm x 2. No wonder nothing lined up and the retainer pins were 1/4" short.  Thats when I quit; for today anyways. CQ is closed on Sunday.

So now we are on to the who's and why's.  Well howz about the who's and HOWS?  WHO is the best and most reasonable $$$ supplier for window scrapers? These are the ones on the inside and the outside on the 64 2 door post. Both are rubber/non felt type. The inside of the door skin is steel and looks integral with the door itself. The soft panel is about 2-3" below that.  Does this stuff snap in? I hope its not a 100.00 part(s) thats from a chevelle that I need to get cut down to fit. I need some coaching on this please!

Im also in the market for a 70-72 style GS sport wheel. The OEM special is about 20" in diameter and is ruff on La panza. The one in my 72 was a blue one that I painted black. I'd take that one and strip it for the 64 and get another driver quality black wheel (and horn button) for the 72. Any help is appreciated on this too. Bowl size the same etc.??    Bill


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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #564 on: June 16, 2019, 03:08:44 PM »
... Doing brakes for an old fat guy on jackstands aint no picnic....


Ohhh oooohhhhh!!!!
I wanna see a pitchur of the old fat guy on jackstands!!!
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« Reply #565 on: June 16, 2019, 03:20:47 PM »
Id hafta pull out the 4 ton stands for that hahahah!  ws
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Where's a well-placed . . . . (Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455)
« Reply #566 on: June 16, 2019, 03:53:16 PM »
Dear Bill, Michael, and mid-60s Buick caregivers with a "creative" vocabulary . . . .

Had to pull out the FRENCH for mechanics Berlitz volume III


. . . . Oh sure!  I'll bet ya' there ain't no such thing! . . . .  :laughing7:


before I realized the Carquest owners wife ordered me the wrong shoes. This aint the first time. Hmmm. I pulled out the trusty Bible, its Sunday afterall, and found these shoes to be for the fronts. They are 2-1/2" wide and the rears are 2". Hmmm x 2. No wonder nothing lined up and the retainer pins were 1/4" short.  Thats when I quit; for today anyways. CQ is closed on Sunday.


So how trustworthy are general auto parts stores for these sorts of items?  I know they are showing more interest in classic cars since modern cars are just about impossible to work on at home.  Still, these cars are over 50 years old! 

... Doing brakes for an old fat guy on jackstands aint no picnic....


Ohhh oooohhhhh!!!!
I wanna see a pitchur of the old fat guy on jackstands!!!


. . . . .  Where is a well-placed surveillance camera when you need it! . .. . . .

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14:

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #567 on: June 16, 2019, 04:24:27 PM »
Ill shoot a selfie tomorrow LOL... The parts are always an "appendix" to mein kampf. I changed providers, but still havent tried the front wheel cylinders yet. Heard horror stories about that too. Maybe Speers manufacturing company, Deutsch Fabrik Motorenwerke made them instead of Gulag, LLC. Will advise!   Bill

 
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #568 on: June 16, 2019, 05:38:56 PM »
My blue wheel looks faded like that too. New ones are a little spendy.
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #569 on: June 16, 2019, 07:05:39 PM »
Yeah... aside from being faded and cracked (horn button is perfect tho!) and being 20" in diameter, is a few good reasons to swap over to a later GS wheel.  When I got the 72 it was a painted sandal wood with a black wrapper on it (YECHH).  I cleaned it to repaint and put it up as an oddity on the V8 board. One of the rarest colors out there! A guy swapped me a baby blue wheel that I cleaned and painted black and reinstalled on the 72. So now I need to find another in any color but hopefully black, so I can put the blue on on the 64. Any ideas about bowl and spline fitment?   Bill



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