Secret experimental 1964 GX 455

[yachtsmanbill]

You guys aint bored yet LOL? Im getting burned out on V8; plenty of readership, but no comments. I really like input or a slap on the back. Its yer choice! ME? I just wanna pull a block long hole shot!  Bill

[elagache]

Dear Bill and 65GS.com soap opera viewers, . . . .

You guys aint bored yet LOL?

. . .  Oh I was so hoping you might bring this topic up! So are you going to bore the block so that you can use even bigger pistons and get even more displacement!

  . . . . Huh?  Ya' mean the word 'bore' can mean anything else on a car forum? . . . . . .

I'm getting burned out on V8; plenty of readership, but no comments. I really like input or a slap on the back. Its yer choice! ME? I just wanna pull a block long hole shot! 

I can't speak for everyone else, but I enjoy seeing someone putting projects together and I try whenever I have a project underway to do the same.  Even if there isn't a lot of replies that doesn't mean people aren't interested.  For many, watching along is a way to learn another thing or two.  People may not thank you until they try to do something on their own and realize you gave them a leg up on how to do it!

As long as you aren't burned out - keep'em commin'! 

Cheers, Edouard 

[Loren At 65GS]

You guys aint bored yet LOL? Im getting burned out on V8; plenty of readership, but no comments. I really like input or a slap on the back. Its yer choice! ME? I just wanna pull a block long hole shot!  Bill

 Definitely not Bill.  Always interesting to see how you are coming along.
I think the group found here , although smaller, is a bit more encouraging then found else where.  I've had limited success getting a response with a some other forums also.

  Just my $ .02 ,
  Loren

[yachtsmanbill]

Thanks for the vote of confidence Loren! It just seems theres little interest in what Im doing, then other times its like the roof fell in. I just like to share stuff. Wait till boat season starts! I also have my dear old dads 1963 36 foot Chris Craft Aluminum Roamer, hull #6. Pops bought that in 1972 and croaked in 1980. He died going to the bottom with a tugboat he was the engineer on. A major faux pas with a steamship in tow.  I ended up buying the boat that was promised to me by dad from the estate that was executed by his brother,  my uncle . Blood is thicker than water. Never got a call that gramma died (his mother) but thats OK, since she died the day after my mom died. I saw her obit in the paper and showed up unannounced and then told them about my mom.

Our family put the FUN in dysfunctional LOL.

Anyways, participation is strictly voluntary on forums. Just hope everyone gets a kick outa my stuff.

Now for Edouard! Pal, if I ever get bored, Id probably shrivel up and die in the sun. 30+ years on call 24/7/365 in a generating station to full time retirement lasted about a month, then started working a few contract jobs etc until "age" finally caught up LOL. I feel guilty if I take a day or two off a week.
Keep Boring my friend; Bigger and Deeper! Bored and honed at +.040"... Now a Buick 460 MONSTER.  Bill



 

[GS66]

Project is looking good. Things move much slower at my place.

[yachtsmanbill]

Dust a little paint stripper on the chair followed by 3M spray glue!  Ya know Jim, I like what Im doing and this is probably the "Last picture Show"(!) for me. Its gonna be a doozy! Gotta get it back on the road, then worry about a paint job and some detail stuff next year. Cant stay fat and belong to OEA at the same time (Over eaters anonymous). Back in the day, we'd call them "sleepers".

The best part is gonna be going to a car show, and watching all the n'er-do-wells rag about the faded paint etc, until they get around to the business end and hit the "WOW" factor. Im good with that. My pal from Dwight Il. keeps telling me I need a 488 gear. Its a BBB I tell him. Even with the 72 XGS and a 273 open, it feels like its gonna get air sometimes! I dont even know whats in the back, but the V6's and sticks tended to have 323s. That should be PLEN-TEE.

This is the flip side of the cushion with the paint stripper. Ha!! Bill

[elagache]

Dear Bill, Jim, and 65GS.com fans of MORE!!!

. . . . .
Bigger and Deeper! Bored and honed at +.040"... Now a Buick 460 MONSTER.  Bill
. . . . . .

Now that's more like it! . . . 

Cheers, Edouard 

[option B9]

    Yes Bill, Please keep the Info coming. I really enjoy your project Buick, and even though I may never get to do that myself it's been a blast to watch you go thru the paces and see the build come together. A real build in real time. Not like the phony shows that have 25 people building a car in one week. Most of the hobby are people like us on our backs getting dirty, scrounging needed parts, blasting, welding, & painting. And if we get the time, we drive them to a cruise night or a club event.
    Keep up the great work you are doing, We appreciate it more than you know.. [/u]

            Tony

[WkillGS]

Same here... keep the posts coming! I'm thoroughly enjoying this thread! I generally only comment when I can add something or help you out.
I'm the same way in real life.... I don't talk much unless you get me going on a good subject after a few beers!
I'm glad the floor hump worked out for you.... especially since I recommended it! It worked well for my 66's. The original retaining ring for the Buicks was just painted black. The Chevelle one is at least silver zinc, so that's a bonus. The next alternative would have been a Hurst or Mr Gasket boot, but they're less original if you're going that route.

3.23 is likely for a 3 speed car. The 3 speed had an extra low first gear so the 4 speed 3.36 wasn't necessary. Should work well with a torquey big block.

[schlepcar]

Keep the progress coming Bill,and you'll be driving before me.

[yachtsmanbill]

Just some pics from the last few days. Now I need to absorb them to guess where i am at!    Bill

[WkillGS]

That 455 looks rather easy to put a dial indicator on the cam! It's a challenge on the Nailhead since there's less room down in the valley. I made up a testing lifter by epoxying some nuts into an old lifter and adding a long bolt to get it above the deck. The spring keeps the lifter seated on the cam.

[yachtsmanbill]

Thats a great idea with the lifter pre-load spring Walt! Kinda hard to do on the 455 with no heads on tho. Your method will render a consistent "ZERO" even against a film of oil. Thats not much but it is "consistent". I think I need to make a "travel stop" for the piston. Ive never done this before, so if I'm going through the motions, I may as well learn it and learn it proppa! The hardest part about 0* at TDC is in both directions having to stop at ZERO and go NO MORE. That makes a dozen or so "lash trips" in everything if you go past the mark. I was getting "consistent readings within 1 or 2 crank degrees. The TDC piston dwell is running about 1-1/2 crank degrees as well. Its just more difficult to do the math in the middle of a process.

All Ive established with the stock single key crank gear, is that the timing marks come back to "dot to dot" with the piston at TDC. It doesnt show any relevance to the actual cam retard or advance. If you look at my wheel, its secured to the damper, so theres no way to center the marks between CC or CCW on the crank degrees. Gotta do the math on that one!

Once thats done, I can then measure minus .050" on the piston TDC for initial valve opening and closing. So far its "ABOUT 110*" and the card calls for 112*. Close enough? Maybe; but I'd like to try and get it where its supposed to be. Please let me know if I am beginning to grasp the concept!

As it sits, with the forged and balance pistons and rods, the piston top is at about .055" below the deck height. Thats just a little more math to determine TRUE TDC. I am using #1 piston with no rings, but attached and tightened rod big end to the crank. Its much easier to roll over with no rings on it! Please negate the dial indicator needle hysteresis!

 
"A property of a system such that an output value is not a strict function of the corresponding input, but also incorporates some lag, delay, or history dependence, and in particular when the response for a decrease in the input variable is different from the response for an increase. For example, a thermostat with a nominal setpoint of 75? might switch the controlled heat source on when the temperature drops below 74?, and off when it rises above 76?.
Magnetic friction in dynamos, by which every reversal of magnetism in the iron causes dissipation of energy."               Bill

[WkillGS]

Thanks. I spent a lot of time profiling some cams.... taking measurements every couple of degrees and plotting points on graph paper to compare cams. Did it with stock rockers, Tom's roller rockers and even some old adjustable iron rockers.

To find TDC, check piston movement with the dial indicator at btdc and atdc at a certain distance. It could be 0.020" or 0.200", doesn't really matter. Mark those two points on the degree wheel, then move your pointer between those two marks.... that's TDC. A piston stop does the same thing..... it stops the piston at a certain distance below tdc, whether it's btdc or atdc.  And true tdc will be exactly between those two points!

And position the dial indicator over the piston pin. Where you show it, the piston will rock back and forth and throw off your true readings.
Have fun!

[yachtsmanbill]

Thanks Walt... yer my inspiration/mentor LOL... I took yesterday off. Pat had her first cataract/lense replacement and a glaucoma pressure stent installed. She's doing super now; major headaches have subsided and next Tuesday is #2. Whew! Then its back to regular bones, blood and brains for both of us. Ha freakin' ha!

So yesterday I did manage to do some more research and found some peculiar anomalies (is that rhetorical??) with a 455 buick motor. I was looking for a crank snout degree wheel mounting socket with a knurled nut.
 
IMPOSIBE mon cher!

The Buick crank happens to MIC up at 1.437-5" and EVERYONE between here and Uranus is either 1-3/8 or 1-1/2+". I finally bought one from Scummit (aluminum-BOO) at 1.542" for a BBC and will sleeve it here to fit the 455. Also bought an 11" degree wheel;
 "The Stevie Wonder" model LOL... Never a dull moment as they say.  I also fabbed up a piston stop bar to help find an accurate TDC. Just hope the new cam and chain set lines up without the cost of a 8 keyway crank sprocket.

Used oil pan came in yesterday with a set of used rockers due in a few days. So much stuff was wore out from abuse on this motor, but its gonna be as fresh as a daisy when im done with it... I hope!

Sorry guys; no pics this time... ws