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Road repaving "California style."
« on: September 07, 2016, 05:32:33 PM »
Dear mid-60s Buick fans of where the rubber meets the road,

The street in front of our house finally was repaved after over 50 years of nothing more than sloppy patches.  It was a interesting process and I thought I would share some pictures of how it was done.  The first thing they did was some seriously tough medicine - they removed all the asphalt and left us with nothing but a dirt road:



They used the same machine that they used to mix cement with the dirt as you will see in later photos.  After removing the asphalt they piled up a lot of dirt to serve as a temporary road.  The next step was to run a machine to reduce the height of the earth they had piled up.  This was quite an operation.  Here is a dump truck being loaded by the earth leveling machine:



Here is the boom of the machine that has the conveyor belt that lifts the soil and sends it into the dump truck:



Finally, here is a photo of the side of machine itself:



The next step was to get a flat base for the new road.  To do this they turned to the traditional road grader:



After they were finished with that session of earth removal they sent a road roller to compact the newly exposed soil:



That's all the road we had for over a week.

The next step was to mix cement with the soil to make a foundation for the asphalt.  This started by simply dispensing dry cement on the soil:



They then mix the soil using a machine that was also used to first remove the old asphalt.  In front of it was a water truck to supply water to the cement:



Then this machine mixed it all up:



That left the road looking like this:



Finally this machine finished up the mixing:



After that a road grader got the dirt back to reasonably level.

The process of actually laying the asphalt started with spraying a layer of tar against the lip of the street:



Then the dump trucks started running up and down our street.  It was a quite a caravan.  Eventually the paving machine came into view:



It has this odd hopper at the front that is loaded almost constantly by asphalt from dump trucks.  Here is the moment that asphalt was put in front of our own driveway:



Behind it of course came the typical road roller:



The paving machine of course had to make a second pass for the other side of the street:



Here is a close up of the asphalt being deposited onto the ground:



Here is a view of the newly paved street:



Finally, here is one last view of the paving machine and the road roller "heading off into the sunset!"



It sure is an improvement over the worn out street we used to have, but I can see the asphalt isn't of particularly good quality.  This new road certainly won't last 50 years!

Hopefully this has been a pleasant distraction from working on your cars!

Cheers, Edouard   :occasion14:

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Re: Road repaving "California style."
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2016, 06:17:38 PM »
It needs to be christened with a few smokey burnouts!  :headbang:

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Re: Road repaving "California style."
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2016, 07:55:39 PM »
It needs to be christened with a few smokey burnouts!  :headbang:

My thoughts also. Like the dog marks trees, our cars can also leave marks.
Neat story, thanks for sharing.
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Someone else will have to do that! (Re: Road repaving "California style.")
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2016, 09:24:47 PM »
Dear EZ Cool, Kevin, and mid-60s Buick caregivers of car show "beauty queens,"

It needs to be christened with a few smokey burnouts!  :headbang:

Well, I'm certainly not going to do that with my trusty wagon!  On Labor Day I washed and waxed her so she would be ready for a car show this Saturday.  We were stuck with a dirt road since August 23rd, so i was very careful to avoid getting any dust on her.  She is staying in the garage where it is safe until she heads over to make her "fashion statement . . . . "

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14:

P.S. Sadly the road has already been "marked."  The shiny black asphalt is already quite dirty from people driving on it with their tires full of dust and dirt.  There are even quite a collection of pine needles.  It has been quite hot and the trees are shedding.  It was an amazing transformation in less than 24 hours.

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Re: Road repaving "California style."
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2016, 10:29:54 AM »
Wow, that's quite a process! Much different from what is done here. Must be due to the type of soils you have.

Some side roads here get a quick resurfacing consisting of patching holes, spraying the whole road with liquid tar, and spreading stone chips on top. It can then take weeks for all the loose stone to dissipate and make it safe to drive on with a classic car.

More common is milling some of the old asphalt surface and applying a fresh layer.

Seeing a rebuild like yours is very uncommon unless they're replacing a concrete surface.

Enjoy the new road!


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Re: Road repaving "California style."
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2016, 11:02:21 AM »
Nice road, Edouard!  I don't care what process is used, I sure wish they'd repave our road.  Michigan roads are getting to be some of the worst in the country and our "paved road" is now partially dirt because the road commission has dumped aggregate and ground asphalt over the areas where the pavement is virtually gone....including right in front of our house.  So bad that I bought an enclosed car hauler just to get my restored 65 GS to a decent launch point to go for a ride!  :-(

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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2016, 11:07:00 AM »
Dear Walt, Chuck,  and mid-60s Buicks fans of where the rubber meets the road,

Wow, that's quite a process! Much different from what is done here. Must be due to the type of soils you have.

This may be simply a new technique to build roads that are moderately tough and are finished quickly.  Our region has a lot of relatively steep hills that may have something to do with the technique.  However, the techniques you describe have been used in our city in the past.  One of the reasons I thought you guys might find it interesting was the machines they used.  I have a feeling they have come up with either new machines or repurposed machines not normally used for road paving.

There is no doubt it is relatively quick and they can pave several miles of road in just two weeks.  However, the asphalt really looks "dry" and porous.  I think it will vulnerable to water penetration.  They have had to redo one stretch of road already that was done in December when we had a lot of rain.  I can't imagine how this material could last anywhere as long as the asphalt they replaced.  Unfortunately, there could also be some California environmental regulations at work.  The state is seriously cracking down on volatile chemicals.  So this might be the best asphalt that can be produced under those regulations.  Nonetheless, the city cannot afford to repave all the roads every decade so I'm not sure where we are headed!

Nice road, Edouard!  I don't care what process is used, I sure wish they'd repave our road. 
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So bad that I bought an enclosed car hauler just to get my restored 65 GS to a decent launch point to go for a ride!  :-(

Well, perhaps a new road is not to far in your future if indeed they have come up with ways repave roads more quickly.  Our town had been ignoring the road for decades.  All of a sudden they have been repaving at a amazingly furious pace.  Once you get a contractor going, you can repave a lot of roads in a hurry these days!

Cheers, Edouard

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2016, 01:29:54 PM »
I'm sure in my neck of the woods, the issue is not the process or being in line for the process.  It's purely financial; not nearly enough money to spend on roads.  To make matters worse, I live in the country and my road is technically a "Local Road".  That designation means that for repair or replacement to take place, the costs are shared by the county and the township where the road resides.  The county will pay 10% if the township kicks in 90%.  Just understand that "township" essentially means residents that live on that road.  At last estimate they wanted over $400,000 to repave and there are less than 20 homes on this section of road.  You do the math......  :-(

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Sounds like a cop out to me. (Re: Road repaving "California style.")
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2016, 09:13:18 PM »
Dear Chuck and mid-60s Buick victims of broken promises, . . .

I'm sure in my neck of the woods, the issue is not the process or being in line for the process.  It's purely financial; not nearly enough money to spend on roads.  To make matters worse, I live in the country and my road is technically a "Local Road".  That designation means that for repair or replacement to take place, the costs are shared by the county and the township where the road resides.  The county will pay 10% if the township kicks in 90%.  Just understand that "township" essentially means residents that live on that road.  At last estimate they wanted over $400,000 to repave and there are less than 20 homes on this section of road.  You do the math......  :-(

I sorry to hear that because that is nothing more than a cop out on the part of your county.  Part of the job of government is to even out the burdens so that people who are isolated don't have to pay an unfair share of maintaining the infrastructure.  The country would have never been electrified with a policy like that.  Alas, forward thinking people are in desperately short supply no matter what the geeks in silicon valley would like you to believe.

Oh well, . . . . Edouard

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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2016, 09:05:40 PM »
Pretty cool paving system depiction for your area Edouard. My job provides me opportunity to observe paving in several states and Canadian provinces.

For example, North Dakota is currently redoing a 10 mile section of the southbound I-29 lanes from the 89 to the 79 mile marker. The process involved completely removing several inches of asphalt overlay, followed by breaking up the concrete below that.

There was rebar within that concrete necessitating its removal by specialized machines which also ground off 99% of any concrete adhering to the steel before it was bundled up and loaded onto flat deck trailers. After the concrete was further broken up, it was removing to a staging area for further size reduction by grinding machines. That aggregate was then used to create a new road base, after the soil was plowed up and reshaped.

Once the base was laid down, it was allowed to "settle" before being smoothed by rollers and graders. The new concrete was begun this past weekend, which is done by a concrete spreader and NO forms. This is a fairly quick setting mix, which probably has special curing additives along with other strengtheners. In addition, a coloring dye is sprinkled atop the fresh concrete to give that gray concrete color.

There are short steel rods placed about every 20-25 feet or so. After the concrete cures enough to drive on, cutting machines score the concrete where those rods are, which "help" the road to crack at those spots. In good weather, they can put down up to 1/2 mile per day!

It's important to note that North Dakota experiences extreme temperature swings throughout the year, thus concrete must be able to withstand them. They don't use a great deal of salt in winter, which helps.

Sorry to say I have no photos, as it's difficult, and dangerous, to take them while driving at 62 mph in a single lane construction zone.
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2016, 09:44:52 PM »
Dear Tom and mid-60s Buick remote observers of road construction,

Pretty cool paving system depiction for your area Edouard. My job provides me opportunity to observe paving in several states and Canadian provinces.

For example, North Dakota is currently redoing a 10 mile section of the southbound I-29 lanes from the 89 to the 79 mile marker. The process involved completely removing several inches of asphalt overlay, followed by breaking up the concrete below that.

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Thanks for sharing.  That is very serious construction!

Honestly, I would have preferred to spend another few days without a road to see the job better executed than it has been.  I don't think we need the same degree of concrete reinforcement as North Dakota, but this asphalt isn't holding up very well.  I try to walk every day so I get to see what the previous year's work looks like.  It is degrading much faster than the old pavement it is replacement.   As soon as I have some free time I'm going to write a letter to the local paper pointing out the deficiencies.  At the very least, they need to apply a followup sealant to prevent water from getting into this porous asphalt.


Sorry to say I have no photos, as it's difficult, and dangerous, to take them while driving at 62 mph in a single lane construction zone.


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These days if you aren't on the phone, texting, taking pictures and looking for Pokemon, . . . . you aren't really livin' . . . .

Seriously, what disappoints me about this new "lifestyle choice" is why these sort of hominids whom I find extremely irritating haven't yet managed to go extinct yet.  As far as I'm concerned this new species of bipeds cannot extinct fast enough!

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14: