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Classifieds => Part & Car Leads => Topic started by: cwmcobra on August 26, 2020, 06:44:04 AM
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Adding to the thread about the availability of reproduction battery cables for the 65 GS at http://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,4789.0.html (http://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,4789.0.html)
I've have a conversation with American Autowire and they confirmed that they will include in a one time group buy, cables for both the 1966 GS, which I know many of you own, and for other 1965 V8 Skylarks. Pricing for the group buy will be at a discount from their retail pricing, but I don't have a quote yet. I'll confirm pricing when the quote is received and when we have final numbers on the quantities that will be purchased.
So, just like for the 65 GS cables, please indicate here if you would like to purchase cables for either the 66 GS or the 65 Skylark with 300 CID V8.
:cheers2:
Chuck
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Adding to the thread about the availability of reproduction battery cables for the 65 GS at [url]http://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,4789.0.html[/url] ([url]http://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,4789.0.html[/url])
I've have a conversation with American Autowire and they confirmed that they will include in a one time group buy, cables for both the 1966 GS, which I know many of you own, and for other 1965 V8 Skylarks. Pricing for the group buy will be at a discount from their retail pricing, but I don't have a quote yet. I'll confirm pricing when the quote is received and when we have final numbers on the quantities that will be purchased.
So, just like for the 65 GS cables, please indicate here if you would like to purchase cables for either the 66 GS or the 65 Skylark with 300 CID V8.
:cheers2:
Chuck
Yes!!!! Do you need the part numbers for the '65 Skylark cables???
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Adding to the thread about the availability of reproduction battery cables for the 65 GS at [url]http://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,4789.0.html[/url] ([url]http://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,4789.0.html[/url])
I've have a conversation with American Autowire and they confirmed that they will include in a one time group buy, cables for both the 1966 GS, which I know many of you own, and for other 1965 V8 Skylarks. Pricing for the group buy will be at a discount from their retail pricing, but I don't have a quote yet. I'll confirm pricing when the quote is received and when we have final numbers on the quantities that will be purchased.
So, just like for the 65 GS cables, please indicate here if you would like to purchase cables for either the 66 GS or the 65 Skylark with 300 CID V8.
:cheers2:
Chuck
Yes!!!! Do you need the part numbers for the '65 Skylark cables???
Yes please. I think I know what they should be, but not sure.
Chuck
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Yes!!!! Do you need the part numbers for the '65 Skylark cables???
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Yes please. I think I know what they should be, but not sure.
Chuck
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I'm showing 3 numbers!!!! Can anyone help clarify?
Sources: 1965 Buick parts book; 64-66 Special platform Canada parts book; 1966 United Delco book; 1940-1972 Buick parts book
Group 2.341 NEGATIVE (-)
2983780 (64-65 All Special & Skylark) 30" length
2987235 (Special, less Gran Sport HD battery & clamp(?) jobs)
4A-30 or 1L-30
Group 2.342 POSITIVE (+)
2987273 (Special, less HD battery, clamp option & Gran Sport)
2987272 (Special with HD battery) 41" length
1L-38
6297829
What the heck is a "clamp job"???
What did the HD battery option on the Skylark involve? I know '64 Skylark had the GS style terminal/horn block, did adding an HD battery in '65 create the same junction point?
Does anyone have a set of original Skylark cables for comparison?
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I believe a "clamp job" refers to the bolt through clamp style top battery terminal (65 GS) vs. the spring ring (65 Skylark 300 & 66 GS).
Chuck
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I believe a "clamp job" refers to the bolt through clamp style top battery terminal (65 GS) vs. the spring ring (65 Skylark 300 & 66 GS).
Chuck
:headbang: You are correct Chuck
Loren
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What the heck is a "clamp job"???
What did the HD battery option on the Skylark involve? I know '64 Skylark had the GS style terminal/horn block, did adding an HD battery in '65 create the same junction point?
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There was a police option for the Special. I recall a few things about that option, it had a high output alternator and a solid state voltage regulator . There was also a cable that went from the interior to the carburetor to raise the idle. I think that is the reference to HD battery option.
Loren
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Good information - thank you!
I hate the spring ring - the clamp (bolt & nut) is a far superior design.
I love originality, but also make upgrades when appropriate (e.g. disc brakes, etc.). Just saying I would not be opposed to an otherwise correct set of cables with clamps instead of spring rings.... :dontknow:
Do we have a consensus on the correct Skylark part numbers?
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Good information - thank you!
I hate the spring ring - the clamp (bolt & nut) is a far superior design.
I love originality, but also make upgrades when appropriate (e.g. disc brakes, etc.). Just saying I would not be opposed to an otherwise correct set of cables with clamps instead of spring rings.... :dontknow:
Do we have a consensus on the correct Skylark part numbers?
But definitely interested in the Skylark version too. At least 2 sets please.
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OK. I’m in for 2 sets.
Dan
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Yes!!!! Do you need the part numbers for the '65 Skylark cables???
Yes please. I think I know what they should be, but not sure.
Chuck
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I'm showing 3 numbers!!!! Can anyone help clarify?
Sources: 1965 Buick parts book; 64-66 Special platform Canada parts book; 1966 United Delco book; 1940-1972 Buick parts book
Group 2.341 NEGATIVE (-)
2983780 (64-65 All Special & Skylark) 30" length
2987235 (Special, less Gran Sport HD battery & clamp(?) jobs)
4A-30 or 1L-30
Group 2.342 POSITIVE (+)
2987273 (Special, less HD battery, clamp option & Gran Sport)
2987272 (Special with HD battery) 41" length
1L-38
6297829
What the heck is a "clamp job"???
What did the HD battery option on the Skylark involve? I know '64 Skylark had the GS style terminal/horn block, did adding an HD battery in '65 create the same junction point?
Does anyone have a set of original Skylark cables for comparison?
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Dan, my apologies for not responding sooner. We finally got back to Nebraska last month. Starting to catch up on things here and have been able to look through my parts books.
I can not find reference to a couple of numbers that you listed. Part numbers 2983780 and 6297829 . I've gone through four different Buick chassis parts books. Mind you, these are USA parts books. It looks like you have referenced a Canadian parts book ?
The other numbers are good from my references.
Loren
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I checked the books I have here, not finding much usable info specifically for the 1965 GS. Buick changed the numbers for 1966, and by 1974 they had a more generic cable which fit many applications.
Buick 1966-only parts book.
These are 1966-only numbers:
2.341 Cable, Battery Ground (Negative)
1966 4600-9000 2987233
2.342 Cable, Battery
1966 4600 2985191
Note: 4600 is Skylark GS, 9000 is Riviera.
Sometimes it has a listing for 65-66 4600 (GS) but not in this case.
From a 1966 Assembly manual:
.....same numbers as above.....
From 1940-74 Parts book:
2.341 Strap-Cable, Battery Ground (Negative)
65 4000 Gran Sport H.D. Btry & Clamp jobs 8907369
66 4600 8907369
Note: apparently a new pn replaces the 65 and 66 GS Neg cables. this cable is also used in other 62-up applications.
2.342 Cable, Battery to terminal block (pos)
*no listing for 1965 GS*
66 4600 8907345
Anyone check the 1965 Assembly manual? That should provide yet more data.
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Anyone check the 1965 Assembly manual? That should provide yet more data.
Walt, you're a genius! Why didn't I think of that?? Here's the data from the 1965 Skylark Assembly Manual:
GS: Positive 2989274; Negative 2983776 (same as on my original 65 GS cables)
300 V8: Positive 2987273 (2987272 with Heavy Duty Battery option); Negative 2987235 (both with Spring-Ring terminals)
V6: Positive 2987273; Negative 2987235 (both with Spring-Ring terminals)
So, if we assume no Heavy Duty Battery option, both the 300 V8 and V6 have the same numbers: Positive 2987273; Negative 2987235 . Dan H., are you good with these?
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Chuck
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Thanks, Loren, Walt and Chuck!
Yes, put me down for 2 sets of the Skylark cables too (so 4 sets total for me). Any idea on cost?
Thanks again!
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I'll finalize numbers with AAW soon and then will be able to give a more accurate cost estimate. Checking out another couple of potential buyers.
A great holiday weekend to all!!
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Chuck
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Chuck, put me down for one (1) complete set of battery cables for a 65 Gran Sport please. Advise when you have a final cost and how I can pay you.
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It appears the 65/6 Skylark GS battery cable numbers have been changed a few times like Walt said. MY white Buick parts book that is from 1958 through 1974 lists the 65 and 66 the same numbers.
Neg, 6907369
Pos, 8907345
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It appears the 65/6 Skylark GS battery cable numbers have been changed a few times like Walt said. MY white Buick parts book that is from 1958 through 1974 lists the 65 and 66 the same numbers.
Neg, 6907369
Pos, 8907345
Hi Bill,
Those 6xxxxxx and 8xxxxxx numbers look to me like parts that GM Parts Division superseded the originals with and combined both 65 and 66 GS applications into those new part numbers when they updated the parts book after 1974. Walt's 66-only parts book and the 1966 Assembly Manual both show Negative as 2987233 and positive as 2985191. AAW's part number from the original GM print for positive is 2985191. Those three references to the same part number seem to confirm that it is correct. The info I have on the Negative cable from AAW is on a charted drawing with lots of obsoleted part numbers, so I can't confirm the correct GM number from that drawing. I can try to get more definitive info from them on the negative cable if you like, but I like that Walt's two resources refer to 2987233. I don't have any skin the game about the 66 GS part numbers, but if I did, I'd choose 2987233 and 2985191 from Walt's research. I believe the 2xxxxxx part numbers to be the originals. But you are the only one that currently is interested in the 66 cables, so if you'd like different numbers on them, I'll see if AAW will make them that way. Just let me know.
Thanks for adding to the database. PM or call me if you'd like to discuss this in more detail offline. Loren can give you my number.
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Chuck
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Chuck, good to talk to you the other day. I found my 66 Skylark assembly manual and it confirms the 66 battery cable numbers Walt posted. I also found a picture in the manual of the 66 GS battery cables, I will attach it, not to clear my old camera does not do well for this. I is page 12-18-2 of the manual and shows the +cable with the same number as Walt posted, the- has no number on the picture. If you look these are not spring ring ends. Based on this I am thinking 66 did not use spring ring.
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Better picture of the cables.
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Chuck, good to talk to you again. As I said I will take 2 sets of GS cables, 1 with 65GS numbers one set with 66GS numbers if they will stamp them otherwise leave that set blank. both set with regular terminals NOT spring ring.
See attached page from assembly manual for 66 numbers.
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Quick update....I'm waiting for a quote from American Autowire and then I'll post more details. Stay tuned!
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Chuck
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Project update...
The order was placed with AAW on January 5. Manufacturing leadtime is 4-6 weeks minimum, could be up to 8 weeks. They're not accustomed to an order of this size.
I'll update when the cables are received and when they are ready for shipment to you.
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Chuck
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Well, it appears that 4-6 weeks has turned into 4-6 months. I checked status with AAW yesterday and they say another few weeks. I'll keep you posted but wanted you to know this hasn't spilled off my plate.
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Chuck
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If they are indistinguishable from original stock, it would be worth the wait.
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Well, it appears that 4-6 weeks has turned into 4-6 months. I checked status with AAW yesterday and they say another few weeks. I'll keep you posted but wanted you to know this hasn't spilled off my plate.
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Chuck
Chuck,
Thank you for keeping on this. Getting a quality piece is a great deal of work and so often takes more time than originally anticipated.
Loren
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I received the battery cables late last week from AAW and worked over the weekend to attach the auxiliary ground wires to the GS negative cables. They will be ready to ship after I receive shipping supplies from USPS.
Cost to you is $150 per set, as confirmed previously. A list of those that placed orders is attached. Please send a PM or email (cerescobra@gmail.com) to me with your shipping address and whether you prefer to pay with PayPal or a check. I’ll reply with instructions for paying with PayPal and mailing address for those paying by check. I ordered a couple of extra sets for the 65 GS, so if anyone else wants a set, please let me know. First come, first served....
A few pictures of the cables installed on the Verde Howitzer are attached.
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Chuck
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Chuck,
They look fantastic! Thank you for taking this project on.
Loren
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Myself I would just go to the P.O. & pick up some small or medium flat rate boxes depending on which size they would fit into.
Just my Nichols worth.
Tom T.
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I'm late to the program, but If anyone has a set they do not want or would like to sell let me know, I need a set.
Thanks,
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Yes, I ordered a couple of extra sets for a 65 GS. Send me a PM or email and we'll trade some information.
Chuck
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Thanks Chuck PM Sent.
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Ok sent
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Got my battery cables today. :blob7: Very nice. Thanks for doing these.
Dan
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Chuck , Thanks for making these battery cables happen , they look fantastic .
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Thanks Chuck, cables look great! And, you deliver when you say you are going to.
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Thanks guys, I'm glad you like them. I think AAW does a pretty nice job.
Enjoy the weekend!
Chuck