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General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Super65lark on January 31, 2018, 07:23:30 PM
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I recently broke my quarter window trying to re-install it. After breaking the bracket and swapping the glass.
What is the correct way to reinstall the glass. As I was working it seemed like the best way was to drop the bracket and glass into the body (without breaking it) and then insert the rollers into the channels starting lowest and working up.
Is this correct? This time I would really prefer to not break the glass.
I asked on the "other" board and nobody replied.
Your help is appreciated.
Iain
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Dear Iain and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
I recently broke my quarter window trying to re-install it. After breaking the bracket and swapping the glass.
Could you post a photo of the broken window? As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Tough place for a pic. But this is the bottom track. I am wondering do I start there or start at the top of the track.
I'm guessing anyone who has done this before would know.
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Dear Iain and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Tough place for a pic. But this is the bottom track. I am wondering do I start there or start at the top of the track.
I'm guessing anyone who has done this before would know.
Certainly no such window on a wagon! I hope one of the other fellows can help. Anyone? (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/anyone_sign.gif)
Cheers, Edouard
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Dear Iain and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
I recently broke my quarter window trying to re-install it. After breaking the bracket and swapping the glass.
Sorry that nobody has answered your question. However you might find some information that will help you in the 1965 Buick body manual. It is online:
http://65gs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1965-Buick-Body-Service-Manual.pdf (http://65gs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1965-Buick-Body-Service-Manual.pdf)
All the manuals are on the 65GS.com website under documentation:
http://65gs.com/documentation/ (http://65gs.com/documentation/)
If you don't have paper copies these manuals, you might consider buying them. They come up used on eBay for a very reasonable price. OPGI (https://www.opgi.com/) and Faxon Auto Literature (http://www.faxonautoliterature.com/) both have reproductions. I'm not sure the reproductions are the best route since they have some watermarking that can distract from the diagrams. My Dad bought the service manual when we bought our wagon back in 1968. I picked up a used copy of the Body manual some years ago and that's good enough for me.
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Thanks Edouard.
I do have paper copies of both manuals, and it did occur to me.
I will check them. I have a pretty good idea of what I'm going to do. I'll put up a photo when I'm all done.
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Section 3 in the body manual covers theSkylarks. Gives step by step instructions.
Dan
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Dear Iain and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
I recently broke my quarter window trying to re-install it. After breaking the bracket and swapping the glass.
Sorry that nobody has answered your question. However you might find some information that will help you in the 1965 Buick body manual. It is online:
[url]http://65gs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1965-Buick-Body-Service-Manual.pdf[/url] ([url]http://65gs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1965-Buick-Body-Service-Manual.pdf[/url])
All the manuals are on the 65GS.com website under documentation:
[url]http://65gs.com/documentation/[/url] ([url]http://65gs.com/documentation/[/url])
If you don't have paper copies these manuals, you might consider buying them. They come up used on eBay for a very reasonable price. OPGI ([url]https://www.opgi.com/[/url]) and Faxon Auto Literature ([url]http://www.faxonautoliterature.com/[/url]) both have reproductions. I'm not sure the reproductions are the best route since they have some watermarking that can distract from the diagrams. My Dad bought the service manual when we bought our wagon back in 1968. I picked up a used copy of the Body manual some years ago and that's good enough for me.
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
The manual you show here is for a Chevrolet. Does that matter? There are references to several different models. If our Buicks are the same as the Chevrolet, what model should we be looking at?
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Got the book out. (why didn't I do this first?)
Gives a play-by-play.
"CAUTION: Support window to prevent it from dropping when cam is removed."
It also says to 'disengage side roof rail weatherstrip from weatherstrip retainer above quarter window' (that will be fun)
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Dear Dan, Professor, Iain, and mid-60s Buick owner who just hate to! . . . . . :angryfire:
Got the book out. (why didn't I do this first?)
(http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/wink_smile_triangle.gif) . . . GASP! Did you try bobby pins? Gorilla tape? Chewing gum? . . . . . .AHHHHH!!! ANYTHING but actually having to read the instructions!!! :BangHead:
Such are the times that try a man's soul!! . . . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/Laughing_LOL.gif)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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If anyone needs help here - I'm going the whole nine yards.
New glass. New glass setting tape into bracket. Re-install, adjust.
I have accurate measurements now too as I had to buy a digital caliper to get the correct setting tape.
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Dear Iain and mid-60s Buick owners with an itch for precision, . . . .
If anyone needs help here - I'm going the whole nine yards.
New glass. New glass setting tape into bracket. Re-install, adjust.
I have accurate measurements now too as I had to buy a digital caliper to get the correct setting tape.
(http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/wink_smile_triangle.gif) . . . . Oh dear, you are now in real trouble! Now that you have digital calipers, you are missing just one thing . . . . .
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Hobbies/Model-railroad-layout-photos/i-NDPpdmF/0/385d1cce/XL/Layout%20viewed%20from%20west-XL.jpg) (https://canebas.smugmug.com/Hobbies/Model-railroad-layout-photos/i-NDPpdmF/A)
The model railroad layout to use it on!! . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/Laughing_LOL.gif)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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I find through trial and error that R093 glass setting tape from Restoration Specialists is the correct size to set the quarter window into the frame (bracket). I do not know if it would be the same for the front windows. Probably.
The tape is wrapped around the bottom of the glass and then set into the frame. My plan is to use my workmate to hold the frame so that I can push the glass down into it. Maybe a little silicone to help lubricate.
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got the bracket and glass all in. It now appears that the reason the roller broke in the first place was because something was really wrong. The glass pushes outboard. The other quarter glass does the same thing.
I had someone propose that the regulator is worn. Knowing nothing about these, I don't know why this would happen. But for sure something is fundamentally wrong.
These are quarter windows so in all honesty they don't get used much. But it would be nice to get them to roll up and down smoothly. There are times I like to roll all the windows down when I go driving so I can feel the wind, hear the engine, feel alive.
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Dear Iain and mid-60s Buick "DIY" types,
got the bracket and glass all in. It now appears that the reason the roller broke in the first place was because something was really wrong. The glass pushes outboard. The other quarter glass does the same thing.
Definitely sounds like something serious amiss here. Unfortunately, I don't know a thing about the two-door Buick A-bodies. Can anybody offer some insights here? (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/anyone_sign.gif)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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The 1/4 glass has upper and lower inboard and outboard axis, as well as the for and aft, and up and down.
Sort of like the three axis of flight. Roll, Pitch and Yaw.
Combined, you have quite a bit that can get out of whack, and going slow is the ticket.
Now, I have a convertible (1964) with the top down, front doors off, no seats and the door and rear interior trim panels off, it was still a bear to get them straight.
I had pulled them out to clean, and lube all the rollers and tracks and then reassemble everything.
You really need the chassis manual that deals with the adjustment to know what wheel screws to turn which direction and what order of adjusting them.
It's algebra and order of operations is key.
I did not have the manual, but found the steps online but I failed to bookmark them, so I cannot help with that.
Can anyone take pics of the steps and post them?
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I could not see from the pics,but if you do not have the back seat and side panels removed you can't get to all the adjustments. Assuming that all the rollers are in good shape and your regulator rolls easily up and down without the glass....you can adjust. I would put the glass in the hole taped or have someone lower it as you slide the front channel into place. Then put the rear channel onto the roller. The regulator also has to be slid into the glass. Once all the rollers are in place you can put a couple bolts in the regulator and work your window all the way up so you can install the nuts onto both run channels. After all the nuts are started,you can tighten the bolts holding the regulator(there is no adjustment. There is a single bolt stop that limits the upward travel....loosen it. Wiggle the glass all the way tight into desired upward location. Loosely snug all the channel nuts. Slowly try to roll it down observing in-out and any binding on the rear side of glass-top clearance. In-out is adjusted by using a screwdriver on the studs of the run channels and other clearances are adjusted by the slots where the nuts are tightened. It literally took me all day to adjust four pieces of glass....I should have marked it better when I took it apart.
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Can you post some pictures showing how you have the tracks installed? Once we all look at the pics, we may be able to help you see what is going on. The regulator is simply to move the window up and down. What controls the path of the window are the tracks in runs in. If it is going outward when it goes up, then something is out of place with the tracks.
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Thanks for the input here. Might be beyond my ability
Will take her to the glass shop for some recommendations from the pros.
Will update.
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Dear Iain and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Thanks for the input here. Might be beyond my ability
Will take her to the glass shop for some recommendations from the pros.
Will update.
Yup, been there and punted before I did more harm! Do let us know what "da' Pros" suggest to bring Ruthy back to full health!
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14: