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Interior & Tops => Interiors => Topic started by: Super65lark on January 28, 2018, 12:58:44 PM
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Still confused by this.
According to online sources decoding my VIN tag, I should have a beige interior.
Yet, I don't. And I don't think they car ever did. The dash (metal) was gold. The vinyl on the seats was gold. And, the door panels, gold.
I would think it strange that beige would turn to gold from exposure to the Sun.
I also have no reason to believe the entire interior was changed out. Mostly because of the gold dash.
Mainly I ask because I would like to return the car to a mostly original appearance. And gold is a whole lot different than beige.
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Super65lark,
Can you post a picture of the cowl tag ?
Loren
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Tag
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Front and back of back seat panel.
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Your interior color is fawn. Do you have a front bench seat ?
Dan
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Yes I do have a bench seat. And I did see that my interior color is listed as fawn. Still strange to me but I guess after years the pigment in the vinyl broke down.
Though of course I do know I had brown carpet, and that is not listed.
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I sent off for a sample from Legendary. I still believe it is possible for a VIN not to match up. One of the colors listed is a GM 'gold metallic' for 1965. So, maybe I'll finally have a moment of truth.
The vinyl that was hidden from the sun looks gold, and I can't see how pigment to make a beige vinyl would break down and appear gold.
2/23 The sample came in. Matches original exactly. Appears gold to me, but called fawn.
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Maybe someone else has an idea here: my driver door panel was in really bad shape. At the time I selected a close vinyl to re-do it.
I would prefer to keep the other panels because they're original in pretty good shape. I'm happy Legendary has come through with an accurate repro vinyl. But short of buying 2 front panels from them, don't know what to do. Not really in the mood to pester them about selling me yardage, as I think it's unlikely they would do that anyway.
Anyone have an idea here? I have never found another vinyl to be so accurate.
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Legendary could likely just make you one panel. Or buy the material from SMS and have someone else make the panel.
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Dear Iain, Walt, and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Maybe someone else has an idea here: my driver door panel was in really bad shape. At the time I selected a close vinyl to re-do it.
I would prefer to keep the other panels because they're original in pretty good shape. I'm happy Legendary has come through with an accurate repro vinyl. But short of buying 2 front panels from them, don't know what to do.
I agree with Walt. Give Legendary a call and see if they would make you one panel. All you've got to lose is the time. If they won't, consider saving up and buying two front panels from them. The door panels get the most wear, so that should help Ruthy last that much longer. Since Legendary does make very accurate panels and the rest of them are in good shape, Ruthy's interior should look great if you simply clean the OEM vinyl carefully.
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
P.S. Don't forget that Legendary has sales around holidays like Memorial day with significant discounts.
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Thanks for the input guys. Good suggestions. I stitched and installed vinyl on that panel back when I was a novice. And with the fuzzy fallen off to boot, I'm really over it.
I contacted Legendary via email so we'll see if they can whip something up for me.
And if it looks too new, I'll wait for the nearest 115? day and let it sit in the sun for a bit. :tongue3:
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Legendary will only build out a set.
So there's SMS but I would have to do the work myself or get my auto interior guy to do it.
May have to go back burner. Still trying to get this quarter window installed.
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Dear Iain and mid-60s Buick DIY types,
Legendary will only build out a set.
So there's SMS but I would have to do the work myself or get my auto interior guy to do it.
Or wait until the Memorial day sale and fork out da' dough for a pair on sale! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/dollar.gif)
May have to go back burner. Still trying to get this quarter window installed.
(http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/wink_smile_triangle.gif) . . . . What's da' mattra' with ya' . . . . Can't you just follow da' instructions!! . . . . . :BangHead: . . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/Laughing_LOL.gif)
Yeah, I've been there and failed that . . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/D'oh.gif)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Yup. Halfway there. Funny thing that confuses me - in the body manual it describes the procedure stating models and mine is the '37' model. Then later in the book it describes the procedure without referencing models. And the instructions are slightly different. But I think I've got a hold on it.
Only other thing is I fail to find an original seal that holds the glass in the bracket. Might have to take it to the glass shop and have them urethane it.
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Is your car a sedan (post) model? Your comment about the seals for the door glass made me suspicious that you have a Sedan. JMOS here on the board can help you with the glass attachment issue--he has been down that road with his car.
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Hi Brian,
No, it is a 44437 Sport Coupe, with the 300 4-V
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Legendary doesn't have anything on their site about MD sale. Anyone know what it is?
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Dear Iain and mid-60 Buick owners who always like a sale,
Legendary doesn't have anything on their site about MD sale. Anyone know what it is?
I think you are a bit too eager. Usually it is announced only a few days before Memorial day. Thursday is more like it. Do you get Legendary's emails regularly?
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Oh. No I don't get their email. I'll keep checking the site. :thumbsup:
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Received a card yesterday and an email today.
Sale ends May 28. Up to 30% off "in-demand " restoration parts. Promo code MMDAY.
Loren
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Hmm. Kind of doubt it's an in demand part. In the online catalog it's listed as $300 for the pair. 30% off that would be a fair deal.
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Dear Iain and mid-60s Buick interior decorators
Hmm. Kind of doubt it's an in demand part. In the online catalog it's listed as $300 for the pair. 30% off that would be a fair deal.
WOW!. . . :icon_scratch: I haven't received any email from Legendary and nothing on their website. The memorial day sale was something of a tradition for that company, but not this year. The economy remains really tough, perhaps they decided they could suffer the loss of business. Sorry to see this happening though. . . . :crybaby2:
Oh well, . . . . Edouard
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Received a card yesterday and an email today.
Sale ends May 28. Up to 30% off "in-demand " restoration parts. Promo code MMDAY.
Loren
Just tried it, says it's invalid.
Does it it say when the sale starts?
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Sale is May 25 to 29. 15% off manufactured, 5% off distributed.
Dan
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Dear Iain, Walt, Dan, and mid-60s Buick owners who like things on sale,
Sale is May 25 to 29. 15% off manufactured, 5% off distributed.
Silly me! I'm the one who ultimately was too impatient! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/embarrassed_blush.gif)
The sale was announced later than I was expecting. It is live on the Legendary website right now:
http://www.legendaryautointeriors.com/ (http://www.legendaryautointeriors.com/)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Another sale this weekend - The Parts Place is offering 10% off by using the code MAY18 at checkout.
Dan
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If I can figure out the right color I am going to order a headliner tomorrow before the deadline.
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I got the white headliner ordered.
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I need opinions.
Here's my 'pickle':
Years ago I had a guy do my dash pad, seats boxing, and rear armrests in the same color 'tan' vinyl. It looks great.
My door panels are original, except for the driver, which I did poorly in the same tan vinyl.
The reason I didn't order fronts is 1) you have to buy both 2) If I did, then I would have 3 different vinyls going on.
I have thought this one over many a time considering my options. I honestly cannot come up with a reasonable plan that I like. I am somewhat budget and time constrained.
My favorite plan has been to order the original fawn color from legendary (it does match well to the originals, though the originals are faded a bit) and do my best upholstery job on it. I would then have 2 vinyl colors but one would have to look closely to tell. Of course, I don't have dielectric sealing equipment so I would sew to pleats. Possibly tuck n roll style.
Just to add one more thing, the front bench has seen some wear since it was done, and the substrate is toast. I really should have had it re-sprung. The guy used cloth pinpoint, he said it was original to an impala. I am not sure if that is truth.
so, what would you do?
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What color are the seats in your fawn interior? Mine look kind of off-white and the headliner is white. My car codes as Saddle Mist with a Fawn interior. I need to get mine figured out too.
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.....My car codes as Saddle Mist with a Fawn interior......
No, your code is 193, which is Dove, not Fawn.
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Thanks Walt.
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Dear Iain, Jim, Walt, and mid-60s Buick caregivers who are in for the long haul,
Years ago I had a guy do my dash pad, seats boxing, and rear armrests in the same color 'tan' vinyl. It looks great.
My door panels are original, except for the driver, which I did poorly in the same tan vinyl.
The reason I didn't order fronts is 1) you have to buy both 2) If I did, then I would have 3 different vinyls going on.
I have thought this one over many a time considering my options. I honestly cannot come up with a reasonable plan that I like. I am somewhat budget and time constrained.
My favorite plan has been to order the original fawn color from legendary (it does match well to the originals, though the originals are faded a bit) and do my best upholstery job on it. I would then have 2 vinyl colors but one would have to look closely to tell. Of course, I don't have dielectric sealing equipment so I would sew to pleats. Possibly tuck n roll style.
Just to add one more thing, the front bench has seen some wear since it was done, and the substrate is toast. I really should have had it re-sprung. The guy used cloth pinpoint, he said it was original to an impala. I am not sure if that is truth.
so, what would you do?
You situation is basically universal. All these cars have been changed over the years and we have limited resources. Those resources include money, our FYI skills and time on task, and the overall time to complete the changes you are after. In your case, you probably can afford to allow Ruthy to be "work in progress" for a quite a long time.
So perhaps you should try to decide where you ultimately want to end up with Ruthy and put up with the compromises as you work your way toward the final goal. If you really want Ruthy to be very original, perhaps you should put up with the mismatched vinyls and replace what you can at this point and move on to replacing the rest eventually.
The other thing you keep in mind is exactly how original you want Ruthy to end up. You've expressed interest in bucket seats and that is a very desirable upgrade. Ultimately, it is really hard to stick to originality if you want to enjoy driving your car. A friend of mine recently restored a 1957 Bel Air right down to the stock transmission. However, not having an overdrive makes the car very unpleasant to drive on the freeway. After having gone to so much trouble to get a stock transmission, he has ultimately concluded that enjoying the car is more important than originality.
So take a little time to decide what you want Ruthy to be like say 10 years from now. You can then try to decide how you'll get there and how impatient you are to get any particular upgrade completed.
I hope that's some food for thought.
Cheers, Edouard
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You could paint EVERYTHING. Then it ALL would match
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Edouard, it won't be long now before I will have been on the 10 year plan, for 20 years!! :BangHead:
doh!
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Dear Iain, mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Edouard, it won't be long now before I will have been on the 10 year plan, for 20 years!! :BangHead:
The best laid plans of mice and classic car owners are . . . . . about equal! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/D'oh.gif)
Owning a classic car is always an adventure . . . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/eek-sign.gif)
http://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,2610.msg28875/topicseen.html#msg28875 (http://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,2610.msg28875/topicseen.html#msg28875)
Personally, I'm way over my excitement quota!
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Edouard, it won't be long now before I will have been on the 10 year plan, for 20 years!! :BangHead:
doh!
Been there, still doing it. LOL
At 58, I said I would have another one done. Now at 64, I haven't got much more done. Something always seems to take the time or $$ in a different direction .
To most of us, it is a hobby, not an occupation .
Loren
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Interesting news folks:
I am glad I never changed the title of thread from gold. I ordered a vinyl sample kit from Year One. They have samples of each color for your year. It is Ivy Gold that is the match.
I have no idea why the code came up as fawn. I also think it would be highly unusual that the entire interior was changed at some point, though not impossible I suppose.
A yard of the vinyl is $40. So in order to keep from changing out everything, I might just order the yard for driver door and assemble it myself.
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Dear Iain and mid-60s Buick interior decorators,
I am glad I never changed the title of thread from gold. I ordered a vinyl sample kit from Year One. They have samples of each color for your year. It is Ivy Gold that is the match.
Definitely a surprise but that photo doesn't lie!
I have no idea why the code came up as fawn. I also think it would be highly unusual that the entire interior was changed at some point, though not impossible I suppose.
A yard of the vinyl is $40. So in order to keep from changing out everything, I might just order the yard for driver door and assemble it myself.
Not to mess up your karma or anything, but now that you know what color, could you ask Legendary to make what you need instead? You'll have to wait for the 4th of July sale, but that might save you from more work than you would prefer to do.
It is da' usual problem, which tool to use? . . . your wallet or da' rest of your tools! . . . :laughing7:
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Dear mid-60s Buick owners with an eye out for bargains,
Out of the blue, Legendary Auto Interiors is having another sale for this weekend only:
http://www.legendaryautointeriors.com/ (http://www.legendaryautointeriors.com/)
It is on web orders only. If you missed out on their 4th of July sale, now you have another chance.
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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I ordered some of tha samples too since my interior is dove in the 66. I don?t see dove listed though.
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Experts on restorations...
My color is listed as Fawn, but not available at Legendary. Any idea why? Is it because it was a limited production and not worth it to them to sell?
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Legendary does not lis Dove either which is what I need. Unless they call it something else for some reason.
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Dear Iain, Jim, and mid-60s caregivers,
My color is listed as Fawn, but not available at Legendary. Any idea why? Is it because it was a limited production and not worth it to them to sell?
I've never heard of a interior color that was a limited production. More likely companies make some marketing calls based on how likely a particular interior scheme is going to be popular among restorers. Alas, you seem to be on the short end of that stick. Not much hope but does PUI have it?
http://www.puiinteriors.com/ (http://www.puiinteriors.com/)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Looks like a No on the fawn color panels, from anyone that I can tell. I could actually stitch them myself, it wouldn't look original di-electric sealed though.
I might just go back to starting with the seats. I really don't want to change because I like the look of the original. I have always been worried about safety. Just last week I went for a cruise and a pickup swerved around me when I was stopped waiting for a left turn. Had I been rear-ended, I would probably be in the hospital.
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Why don't you call the diif. company's??? Give them your interior code & then have them send a sample. So to say "let your fingers do the walkin'.
Tom T.
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I have a 65 Skylark that also has the ivy gold door/rear panels. It has a white headliner with white seats. My tag also shows a 133/fawn code. What color carpet do you have? Mine was replaced at some point with a plain gold. It doesn't look right??
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Dear Iain, Tom, Jimbo, and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Why don't you call the diif. company's??? Give them your interior code & then have them send a sample. So to say "let your fingers do the walkin'.
Neither Legendary nor PUI claim to have that color. Will they make other colors if you ask?
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I have always been worried about safety. Just last week I went for a cruise and a pickup swerved around me when I was stopped waiting for a left turn. Had I been rear-ended, I would probably be in the hospital.
Unfortunately, driving these classic cars on the crowded California roads has definitely taken the fun out of driving. I try to be very choosy about when I get Biquette on the road and watch drivers around me like a hawk. That won't eliminate accidents but that's about all I can do to reduce the risk. It is clear that many people consider vehicles something they can throw away and drive them as such. It is extremely difficult to share the road with people of that mindset.
Oh well, . . . . Edouard
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It certainly is, Edouard. I'm the same way. Always looking out. And just sitting there at a left waiting for traffic to clear, this guy comes haulin' up out of nowhere. I'm done taking lefts, but time for safety.
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Mine might be close to the M41.
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Dear Iain, Jim, and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
It certainly is, Edouard. I'm the same way. Always looking out. And just sitting there at a left waiting for traffic to clear, this guy comes haulin' up out of nowhere. I'm done taking lefts, but time for safety.
I certainly understand your concerns. Biquette was hit in a parking lot the day before Thanksgiving 2010 and it was an extreme struggle to bring her back. I was new to all this and didn't have collector car insurance. I definitely recommend that you get this - it provides some reassurance that at least you won't have a hefty bill should Ruthy get damaged in an accident.
Beyond that, I think we all need to think more defensive about driving our classics. Make sure that the horn operates easily and don't be afraid to use it! Biquette's 2010 accident might have been avoided if I had honked early enough. I drive with Biquette's headlights on even in the daytime. I have plans to equip her with proper daylight running lights eventually. Biquette has had a 3rd brake light in the past and I want to equip her with one once more. I just want to be more clever about concealing it when she isn't in motion.
There are trade-offs to be made, but we all have to adjust to the more aggressive style of driving that we find nowadays.
Cheers, Edouard
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That 3rd brake light is a great idea. They've proven it to much more effective in alerting other drivers.
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Dear Iain and mid-60s Buick caregivers with an eye for safety,
That 3rd brake light is a great idea. They've proven it to much more effective in alerting other drivers.
Definitely agreed. It is especially true when our cars have by modern standards "drab" turning and brake lights. Biquette is especially vulnerable because she has relatively small taillights. Sedan's and coupes can do something to be more noticeable by adding sequential taillights. Here is an example using LEDs:
http://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,1454.msg8156.html#msg8156 (http://65gs.com/board/index.php/topic,1454.msg8156.html#msg8156)
Loren has also created some wiring harnesses that do sequential turning lights using the original bulbs, but I could find not the thread easily.
There is a problem trying to wire 3rd brake lights on our cars which is ultimately why Biquette doesn't have one right now. There is no dedicated wire with the brake signal going to the back of the car. At least circuits were available from places like J.C. Whitney to "tease out" the brake signal from the two turning signal wires. However, Biquette will need a dedicate brake wire in order to tow a sizable trailer, so I'll wait until I get the tow wiring harness in place to take on the 3rd brake light.
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14: