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General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: 66GSconv. on September 14, 2009, 08:13:10 AM
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I received the frame I bought from a member from the other buick site.Said it was solid,solid frame, he"s also a popular guy on the site and I think I"v seen him on this site as will. he sent alot of pics that you can see for your self on the site, but just not the ones that showed the frame being damage. the damage is right in front of the trailing arm that attach's itself to frame, the frame being square should be about 4in. wide there but it is more like 2.5 to 3in.when the frame arrived it stuck out like a sore thumb it was full of sound deadener. their is a pattern of 3 holes in that area that you could not see due to filler covering the holes(sore thumb) now I'v seen how some of this problems arise on this forums and they tend to get nasty and the guy who's the most popular,well most people will side with them. I'v got $750 in a frame $400 in the delivery and I think I'm looking to get some money back I'll have to take off work, rent a car dolly drive to Fl. from Ind.I would think$750.00back and half of the travel expensence would be fair. any advise and all advise would be appreciated. the last thing I would want is a war of words on this sites. I don't think that is what this site are meant to do.
sincerely, greg
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Wow, sorry to hear this.
The posted pics do not show any damaged or repaired areas.
Pics are here:
http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=182478&page=3
Apparently, the frame was misrepresented as being in good condition, and obviously it is not. It should be up to the seller to make it right. I would expect a full refund, including shipping.
You could pursue legal action....
First, you should measure the frame to determine if it's been knocked out of shape.
Contact the seller first and discuss the situation. If he's not going to negotiate, post negative feedback in the 'Buyer/seller feedback' section. Include GOOD pictures of the damage. If the pictures show obvious damage, other members WILL side with you.... you can't argue with good evidence! Maybe the added peer pressure will help convince the seller to do the right thing!
A good alternative would be to have the frame repaired at the sellers expense. Look for a race car shop in your area to do the welding.
Good Luck!
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walt, your the best I'v contacted the seller and he has said he would make this right and he also has suggest that I contact a frame shop,he seems to be genuine and has a good rep. I'll keep you posted, can you imagine how disappointed I was when of all people my wife was the 1st. to so me the place and has to rub my nose in it and hear,
I told you so!!
standing in corner by my self, help!!!!!!
thanks,walt
sincerely,greg
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You have to watch out for him.
Shoulda got my frame. No damage.
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Joe,
Do you still have a boxed frame for sale?
If so, what are you asking for it?
Chris
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chris thanks for the nice PM,I just had the frame guy over here he said he thought he could get it close but it would not be to his or my satisfaction in the end he thought the rusted frame was better than the one that arrived today.I'm going to give this guy some of the pics and the est. from the frame guy and get the guy whose going to help me out with this frame off his est. send it all down to the seller and give he a little time. I already told him that I don't see how he was going to make this right other than give me back my money the 1st. est was for 960.00 thats more than I payed for the frame. wish me luck cause I'm going to need it AS for joe keep that frame your next in line wish I would have seen you sooner
EVERYBODY THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT,
SINCERELY,GREG
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Yes Chris it should still be in the Parts for sale
forum.
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Greg,
Was the frame hit and bent? There are frame charts with all the proper dimensions. I should have a copy here somewhere....
Taking the measurements is easy. That will determine how bad the frame really is.
Getting a second opinion from another frame guy would be a good next step. Then try a race car shop that is good at fabrication and welding.
Mike Garrison has a 67 GS frame for sale in Topeka, Kansas. $650.
http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=187473
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Walt, so far both people have told me that it would be cheaper to fix the original frame than to try to fix this bad frame.the first guy that came out here found several places were the frame was out a half an inch ,and from the front to the rear axle it was out an inch. at this point I tend to agree with them. try to work with the original at least I know it to be straight and i know it will be easier for the body guy to line the body panels up
what do you think?
greg
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Ouch! That's out a lot.
Now that you have two opinions from frame guys, I'd be curious what the seller has to say.
It's hard to say what the solution to the deal would be. Long distance deals get difficult when there are problems.
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Greg,
As you get closer to working this out with him, please keep the members on this site and V8Buick.com informed on the results.
Hopefully you guys can resolve this in a way that both parties walk away feeling good about everything.
Unfortunately things like this happen when dealing with old parts and long distance deals and we can only hope that the end result makes the hobby better as people step up and do the right thing as opposed to give the hobby a bad name and take advantage.
Dennis has been around the Buick community for a while and I'd like to think that he'll do right by you if given the right amount of time and information.
At this point it's his reputation on the line and that is something that not even money can buy back once it's gone.
I'll stay positive and guess that you guys will be able to work something out... keep us posted!
Chris
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chris sent you email but it bounce back ?
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Sending you a private message...
Chris
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I have my head so far up my as* thats its cutting off the oxygen to my head.but on the other side of this my wonderful wife called the court hse. to see if we have to go down their to file in small claims to my suprize we bouhgt it here and had it ship here and right now there telling he will have to come up here,I sure hope it does not come down to that
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Good luck.I hope everything works out for you.I still have the one i told you about when we spoke on the phone.Have the posi out of it now so if you can't find another one let me know. Tom
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The whole thing about everyone taking the side of the popular guy regardless of if they've heard the facts, along with a few revealing threads about where many of the members stand on moral issues as far as doing the right thing has me a little burned out on the other site. Still lots of great guys and plenty willing to help you out any way they can, but lots of guys that spend their life looking for an opportunity.
Best of luck on getting things resolved in the best way that you can.
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Today is the last day for the seller to start to make this right. Its been two weeks as of today I emailed him to let him know that I didn't enter in to this deal to buy a parts frame. He wanted me to cut up both frames and merry them together to get one good frame.again his thread stated that he had a STRAIGHT and SOLID,SOLID frame to be bought and that is the agreement that was made.he has stated that he has $500.00 he would give if I would agree to the deal to merry the to frames.I JUST WANT MY MONEY BACK ALL $1150.00.I'll will have to wait on an answer,and then move onto the next step.
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Crappy deal.
When all is said and done if you are still looking for a frame, I know of a couple guys here in the Northwest that have parted several 64 and 65 Skylarks and they MAY be able to help you out.
One thing that I know for sure is that they would be honest and probably cheaper.
Shipping is the bad part as you know on that sort of deal.
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Good luck! I don't see you getting anything but more headaches.How much are you going to spend to try and get back what Dennis ows you?I feel sorry for you but i told you when we talked at the BPG Nats. to get lots and lots of pictures and try getting someone to look at for you and you must have not done either. Tom
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I actually got a PM from the seller. He's going to do his best to make it right, but is looking for advice.
I sent Greg the frame charts with dimensions. We really need some accurate information to determine the actual extent of the damage.
What do you guys feel is salvageable from this frame (if it is real bad)?
What's a 65 GS rear worth? decent suspension arms? Would the side rail reinforcements be of use to someone?
This sucks. The only one that made out on this deal was the guy that transported it...
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Any update for us? :boxing:
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well I think this is going to get fugly he has broken almost everything he has said . Two weeks ago he agreed to send me $212.00 and then $100.00 a month until said amount is payed off. as of today not a penny,not sure what happen to the 212.00 that he set a side for me.He was pretty happy with the deal I came up with AS HE SAID IT WAS A MOST GENEROUS DEAL AND HE WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO EXCEPT IT.last wed.I was on my way up to the court house to file a small claims file and he had emailed me that he needed a zip code to transfer the money to my bank well thurseday&friday came and went and tomorrow is monday he just keeps on stringing me along with all of his hard luck stories,like he is the only the whose had it hard.I feel for him but what am I to do ask him for an allowance.
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You didn't pay him in Insallments did you? He gladly took yor money and yet he can't pay you?
Bad business IMO.
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Is there a time frame in which a person has, to be able to file a small claim?
Loren
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my wife called the court house the lady up there said 2yrs. I have offered him all kinds of options.he keeps on telling and now everybody else he's going to make this right.I Just keep forgeting that it will be on his terms,and not what we agreed to.
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I just sold an extra pair of seat cores to a guy on the v8 board for a measly $50. He sent me the money two weeks ago, I delivered the seats (half way) last Tuesday, waited till he had them home and got to check them out and said he was happy with them BEFORE I called the $50 my money.
Anything that is open to interpretation of condition I wait until the customer is happy to call the money mine, period.
But then I'm just a car guy and not someone trying to rake in the cash off my fellow car nuts.
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Sounds like this has been strung out way to long. :BangHead:
Have you kept your emails and messages that he's said he's willing to pay you back? I would assume that if this has to go to court, those will stand as an admission of guilt and be a strong leverage point towards your case. :evil5:
You may want to approach this in a different way now as I think everyone will agree that you've been fair.
1. Tell him that you need at least half of the payment by next Saturday. He's already missed his payment deadline and any bank in the world would demand the balance in full. You are not a bank and you understand his financial situation but you are at a spot that he's lost credibility with you. No more Mr. Niceguy.
2. Do not threaten him however make it known that if payment is not received, you are prepared to provide negative feedback on him at the various Buick group websites (V8Buick / 65GS.com etc..) Leaving negative feedback is within your rights and is actually an expected responsibility to warn others to use caution when dealing with someone. Again.. be prepared to use excerpts from the messages and emails he's sent you to prove you've been more than fair. Make sure not to threaten him with this as it could be perceived as both personal and as a form of blackmail.
3. Make your intentions of filing a small claims case on him known if payment is not received. Make sure he understands that any court or other related costs will be part of the court case.
As an option, you may want to offer him a way out by sending you a correct boxed GS frame in excellent condition at his shipping expense. From what I understand, he has several A body cars and may have the frame you are needing sitting around there someplace. This would make things right to you and he could find a replacement later when he's back on his feet (there are plenty of frames out there). I would only do this with a reasonable deadline for the frame to arrive on my drive and he would need to provide tracking numbers and carrier information after he claimed it was picked up.
If all else fails, be prepared to follow through with the negative feedback and court action and don't contact him until everything is settled through the court system. After you file, it's up to them to handle it and you'll see him and get to plead your side in court.
Many of us are sorry to see everything go this way... but right is right and we are all are expected to do the right thing in this hobby even in rough times.
Best of luck and please keep us up to date until this unfortunately has to go to court.
Chris
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Well, the seller looks like he he could be on his way to making this right on Oct. the 23 he deposited $220.00 into my account its not as much as I would have liked but its is what we agreed to a start with. As a start to paying me back.lets just hope it is the start.
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Well that is a good start. Keep on him.
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Hopefully there is a happy ending to this afterall and everyone walks away ok.
Keep us posted..
Chris
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I can't tell you how glad and surprised that I am to hear that.
It may be that he was that clueless or that he just didn't look at the frame that close.
We perceive people to have a level of knowledge and judgement based on whatever, but who knows.
Bottom line is both of you were reasonable and worked it out. He's doing his best to make it right and both of you are happy.
Great news since stories like this one cause me to doubt my trust of people based on how this started.
Faith restored.
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I for one am also very happy to see this situation beiong resolved to all party's satisfaction. I have spoken via phone with Dennis a couple of times prior to all this occuring. Based upon those conversations, it was my sincere belief that he would rectify the problem.
I refrained from sticking my nose in during the process, since it seemed to be moving towards a mutually satisfying conclusion, albeit a little slowly at time.
Kudos to both party's for staying on the high road throughout. :occasion14: :occasion14:
Merry Christmas to all!! :cheers2: :cheers2: