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General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Barb69 on March 24, 2017, 05:47:15 PM
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Here are fresh pictures of Dusty. Since I just found out he has 300 nail head. I feel I need more schooling. I'm done with the running part of him. I started doing beautification. I have boxes of small projects. The 3 Rd mirror, I am scared to put holes on Dusty. Outsource that job to the husband. Trimming for interior, all windows and windshields. Chrome siding for outside. A brake light for the back windshield. One major job that I will not do myself is disk brakes. I have them, just need to find a technician to do it for me. Pardon the dust on Dusty. I can not bring myself to wash the engine bay.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/fbd91ddac9c43d08709e7e91d3819bf7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/0223b9303608719d7a911de15b0a9c4d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/7c3791be62809bbbb7480c0e12db33b7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/d65224bcd64da3758f19a79a287a5c94.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/561b5aadd71c4fb214287b47beeec503.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/61def4de73940eacd212e2a7df03d27d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/c19dbb58342a8a8ceb7d828516d7f504.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/4b11f383a8292b1fbf03ae86d23c4a1e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/425e9ee16dd9b141c62646a2f691f100.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/8da2306e4c38b67b5d97d2dd12c9fc3d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/3184205df24f8d0b6bd1c35c6718c18d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/5931fc94ea85ae4c7d36a2f33c5471f1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/6c6a4c56f2706764891ce2bdc2456b1c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/d0288b407d1e10f364ff9db8c5636c83.jpg)
kicking Dust.
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Tiny point of order.
The Buick 300cid (evolved from the 215 aluminum v-8 in 1960) is not a Nailhead.
The Nailhead engines are a different beasty altogether.
The 300 V-8 have "vertical" valve covers and has similar appearance and I think that has led to the continued use of "300 (or even 301) Nailhead. (yours do not have the appearance of being vertical)
I have had three Buicks with the 300 and I like them for the little gusty engines they can be.
It's a fun thing to drive the 300 and the ST300 with switch pitch.
Let me go find some pics of the valve covers. BRB...
(http://www.wootmonkey.com/_data/i/upload/2017/03/24/20170324181515-f8113de4-me.png)
This is the nailhead with valve covers and intake and valley cover removed.
Notice the intake ports are horizontal and the valves are vertical.
(http://www.wootmonkey.com/_data/i/upload/2017/03/24/20170324181513-9e27b6da-me.png)
This is a 215 V-8, that is pretty close to what the 300 looks like. (I could not find a good pic of a 300 with the valve covers and intake to compare to a nailhead)
The intakes are angled, not horizontal, and the valves are angled, not vertical.
The valve covers on the 300 are a trapezoid cross section, and that gives the illusion that the 300 head is like a nailhead. The nailhead covers are pretty much square cross section.
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Are you sure it is a 300 Barb? The 340 was red and looks almost exactly the same as the 300. There is a two letter production code visible on the head surface below exhaust manifold on the right side of the engine. We can identify the year and engine size from that code.
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Yes, the husband did not liked the green and got it painted red.[emoji22] this is the way He was when I took him over.
kicking Dust.
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Are you sure it is a 300 Barb? The 340 was red and looks almost exactly the same as the 300. There is a two letter production code visible on the head surface below exhaust manifold on the right side of the engine. We can identify the year and engine size from that code.
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I will look tomorrow. That way we can be sure.
kicking Dust.
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(http://www.wootmonkey.com/_data/i/upload/2017/03/24/20170324183443-c1c81845-me.png)
300
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340
And yes, the 340 was green as well as red.
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Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick experts on anatomy,
Here are fresh pictures of Dusty.
I'm late to try to catch up on one of this year's episodes of the Curse of Oak Island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_of_Oak_Island). However, I have two quick observations. Dusty doesn't have the original Carter AFB carburetor, but an Edelbrock which I think you mentioned was replaced. Do you know which Edelbrock carburetor model Dusty has? Is it a Performer or Thunderer? Also, this photograph appears to show that Dusty has an electric fan(s) for the radiator:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/61def4de73940eacd212e2a7df03d27d.jpg)
Is that correct?
Okay, back to d'em swell fellers on Oak Island. I'll catch you tomorrow! :icon_biggrin:
Cheers, Edouard
P.S. You should never dissect a classic Buick! That might sting! . . . . :laughing7:
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Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick experts on anatomy,
Here are fresh pictures of Dusty.
I'm late to try to catch up on one of this year's episodes of the Curse of Oak Island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Curse_of_Oak_Island). However, I have two quick observations. Dusty doesn't have the original Carter AFB carburetor, but an Edelbrock which I think you mentioned was replaced. Do you know which Edelbrock carburetor model Dusty has? Is it a Performer or Thunderer? Also, this photograph appears to show that Dusty has an electric fan(s) for the radiator:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170324/61def4de73940eacd212e2a7df03d27d.jpg)
Is that correct?
Okay, back to d'em swell fellers on Oak Island. I'll catch you tomorrow! :icon_biggrin:
Cheers, Edouard
P.S. You should never dissect a classic Buick! That might sting! . . . . :laughing7:
Have fun. Fan goes to the oil coolant radiator from back in the fast running days. I love Oak Island.
kicking Dust.
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Some refer to the 300 as the 'Baby Nailhead'. I like the nickname 'Pinhead'! :icon_biggrin:
The 300 and 340 are similar, but the 340 is wider. Maybe someone here can ID your engine by using the air cleaner width/diameter as a reference. 340 is 66-67 only.
Some items from the Buick aluminum 215 and the later Rover V8 will fit the 300. If you want to dress the engine up, Offenhauser finned valve covers for the 215 fit the 300. Even Rover aluminum valve covers will fit.
'67 340 stamped steel valve covers look more like ones on the 350-400-455 engines, and less like the 401-425 Nailhead ones. That's what I have on my '66 Special.
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Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick experts on anatomy,
Have fun. Fan goes to the oil coolant radiator from back in the fast running days.
Okay, that explain why that didn't look exactly like a radiator. Could you take a photo of Dusty's current radiator? I'm curious.
I love Oak Island.
Yes indeed, who would have thought watching two brothers squandering millions of dollars on a wild goose chase could be so entertaining! :laughing7:
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick experts on anatomy,
Have fun. Fan goes to the oil coolant radiator from back in the fast running days.
Okay, that explain why that didn't look exactly like a radiator. Could you take a photo of Dusty's current radiator? I'm curious.
I love Oak Island.
Yes indeed, who would have thought watching two brothers squandering millions of dollars on a wild goose chase could be so entertaining! :laughing7:
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Carburetor is Elderbrook 600 cm manual chocke.
kicking Dust.
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Are you sure it is a 300 Barb? The 340 was red and looks almost exactly the same as the 300. There is a two letter production code visible on the head surface below exhaust manifold on the right side of the engine. We can identify the year and engine size from that code.
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Ok guys this is the best picture I could take. I could not really make out the numbers.Ya'll try to take a cracked at it. The Intake manifold, the the exhaust manifold, that one is rough I could barely see the numbers my best guess are R 1869999 Either O Or D(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170327/4356aa633f24f6c7dac82f7e57dd33b9.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170327/ae9e6a1afa1cf5c040a3ba7c9bf75a4b.jpg)
Have fun. Someone please let me know what Dusty is running with.[emoji2]
kicking Dust.
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Are you sure it is a 300 Barb? The 340 was red and looks almost exactly the same as the 300. There is a two letter production code visible on the head surface below exhaust manifold on the right side of the engine. We can identify the year and engine size from that code.
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Ok guys this is the best picture I could take. I could not really make out the numbers.Ya'll try to take a cracked at it. The Intake manifold, the the exhaust manifold, that one is rough I could barely see the numbers my best guess are R 1869999 Either O Or D(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170327/4356aa633f24f6c7dac82f7e57dd33b9.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170327/ae9e6a1afa1cf5c040a3ba7c9bf75a4b.jpg)
Have fun. Someone please let me know what Dusty is running with.[emoji2]
kicking Dust.
Too bad V8 is down I just found this.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170327/a2dbb893a957a6517dd68a546c264e26.jpg)
kicking Dust.
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1366695 = 65 4bbl 300 intake casting from teambuick reference section.
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1366695 = 65 4bbl 300 intake casting from teambuick reference section.
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Does it help to solve the mystery. Is the same one Dusty has, as pictured on top.
kicking Dust.
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Dear Barb, Good Dr., and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Thanks for the radiator photo. Dusty has a mechanically driven fan with a fan clutch. A more recent design, but a genuine improvement. I made the change to Biquette in 1980s I think. Is there any way you could take a photo with a wider view? I'm curious if Dusty has a cross-flow or down-flow radiator. Both designs were used in 1965, but the cross-flow is more common.
Carburetor is Elderbrook 600 cm manual chocke.
Okay that is the Edelbrock Performer carburetor (http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/carburetors/performer.shtml) which is the same one Biquette briefly had from the Summer of 2010 until she was hit and out put of action in November of that year. How do you like it? I found this carburetor to idle too fast when starting cold, but I'm now thinking perhaps this was because the engine was already experiencing valve-train problems so a higher fast-idle was needed to get reliable starting. It is supposedly based on the same Carter AFB carburetor that Biquette and Dusty were 'born" with.
One modest correction. Dusty's carburetor has the electric choke. I'm sure you would much prefer that to a manual choke.
1366695 = 65 4bbl 300 intake casting from teambuick reference section.
Okay that strongly suggests that this is Dusty's original 1965 factory engine.
The Team Buick reference section is full of useful information:
https://www.teambuick.com/reference/index.php (https://www.teambuick.com/reference/index.php)
Keep posting those pictures of Dusty! We never stop being curious!
Cheers, Edouard
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If you want to get the correct air cleaner decal, the 300 4bbl engine was referred to as the 'Wildcat 355'. The 300 3 bbl version was the 'Wildcat 310'. Both names refer to the torque rating of the engine.
The 4 bbl engine also had a higher compression ratio compared to the 2bbl 300. Likely requires premium gas.
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Dear Barb, Walt, and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
The 4 bbl engine also had a higher compression ratio compared to the 2bbl 300. Likely requires premium gas.
Oops, that reminds me of another chapter in Biquette's history. These cars were intended to be filled with leaded gasoline. The compound including lead increased the octane of the gasoline which allowed for a higher compression ratio. That in turn made the engines more powerful and efficient. It also softened the force of gasoline detonating. By 1979 when Biquette's engine was first rebuild, leaded gasoline was headed toward extinction. So when the engine was rebuilt, we had the valve seats hardened and had the compression ratio reduced so that she could run fine on regular unleaded gasoline.
Do you know if anything like this has been done on Dusty's engine? If the engine is still in its 1965 factory condition, you should indeed use premium gasoline and probably should add some of these lead substitute additives to protect the valve seats. If the engine has been rebuilt, mostly likely the changes to run on unleaded gasoline will have been made and Dusty should be fine.
Sorry, lots of things to look after with these classic cars!
Cheers, Edouard
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Dear Barb, Walt, and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
The 4 bbl engine also had a higher compression ratio compared to the 2bbl 300. Likely requires premium gas.
Oops, that reminds me of another chapter in Biquette's history. These cars were intended to be filled with leaded gasoline. The compound including lead increased the octane of the gasoline which allowed for a higher compression ratio. That in turn made the engines more powerful and efficient. It also softened the force of gasoline detonating. By 1979 when Biquette's engine was first rebuild, leaded gasoline was headed toward extinction. So when the engine was rebuilt, we had the valve seats hardened and had the compression ratio reduced so that she could run fine on regular unleaded gasoline.
Do you know if anything like this has been done on Dusty's engine? If the engine is still in its 1965 factory condition, you should indeed use premium gasoline and probably should add some of these lead substitute additives to protect the valve seats. If the engine has been rebuilt, mostly likely the changes to run on unleaded gasoline will have been made and Dusty should be fine.
Sorry, lots of things to look after with these classic cars!
Cheers, Edouard
Only Premium used on Dusty. I do not know how much a gallon goes for out there, in Texas $2.47. I guess I had not paid attention to my gas tank size. Next time I fill up I figure that out.
kicking Dust.
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If you want to get the correct air cleaner decal, the 300 4bbl engine was referred to as the 'Wildcat 355'. The 300 3 bbl version was the 'Wildcat 310'. Both names refer to the torque rating of the engine.
The 4 bbl engine also had a higher compression ratio compared to the 2bbl 300. Likely requires premium gas.
He has the wrong decal.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170328/a8506b05c4aae8ebdfb34415404fb315.jpg)
kicking Dust.
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Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Only Premium used on Dusty.
Okay, but that might not be what Dusty needs. If Dusty's engine has never been rebuilt you really need to be adding a leaded gasoline replacement additive. Otherwise, you might be damaging Dusty's valves. Trust me, you don't want to be doing that! :BangHead:
I do not know how much a gallon goes for out there, in Texas $2.47.
(http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/wink_smile_triangle.gif) . . . What is the price of premium in California? Oh that's easy! If you have to ask, you can't afford it! . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/Laughing_LOL.gif)
I guess I had not paid attention to my gas tank size. Next time I fill up I figure that out.
Dusty should have the same standard 20 gallon gas tank that was used on a number of GM models from the time. Biquette current gas tank is supposedly for an El Camino, but it fits perfectly. Of course I have put more over 21 gallons into that tank. I don't know if it was a miracle :angel4: or I was cheated! :angryfire:
Just another day in . . . paradise ?!?!??? . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/scratch_head.gif)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14: