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General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Barb69 on March 22, 2017, 06:24:45 AM
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I received the trimming for the inside upholstery, they are black and would like to dye them brown since Dusty leather is brown. How and what should I use? Thank you in advance.
kicking Dust.
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SEM Products carries a whole line of professionals automotive finishes including their 'Color Coat' paints for interiors.
https://www.semproducts.com/refinish-flexible-coatings/color-coattm-aerosols (https://www.semproducts.com/refinish-flexible-coatings/color-coattm-aerosols)
Read the Tech Data Sheet for the proper procedure.
Find a local auto body and paint supply shop in your area, they should carry their products. Can also be bought online from www.tcpglobal.com (http://www.tcpglobal.com)
Are you trying to match an original color?
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Dear Barb, Walt, and mid-60s Buick "interior decorators,"
I received the trimming for the inside upholstery, they are black and would like to dye them brown since Dusty leather is brown. How and what should I use? Thank you in advance.
I couldn't easily find an interior "paint chip" to help you identify the original Buick name for the brown used in Dusty's interior. The closest I could come is this web page:
https://myclassicgarage.com/marketplace/knowledge_base/1965-buick-skylark (https://myclassicgarage.com/marketplace/knowledge_base/1965-buick-skylark)
If SEM products has a cross-reference for the original Buick names, that should be good enough for your to identify which product you are looking for. Also, paint chip sheets from the period occasionally show up on eBay. I have one for the exterior paint colors because my trusty wagon was repainted in 1994, but they didn't do a particularly good job of matching the factory color. I had the body shop used the paint-chip to match the color when she was repainted a second time in 2010. I've never seen one for the interior colors, but I could have missed it.
Cheers, Edouard
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Hi Barb, Walt, Edouard. I may have a 65 Buick interior color chart in my literature collection along with the dealer showroom album. I don't have it here, that stuff is in the "Man Cave" along with the Special/Skylark parts. I will go over and check tomorrow afternoon then get back to you.
Tony
Still Frozen in NYC. :thumbsup:
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Hi Barb, Walt, Edouard. I may have a 65 Buick interior color chart in my literature collection along with the dealer showroom album. I don't have it here, that stuff is in the "Man Cave" along with the Special/Skylark parts. I will go over and check tomorrow afternoon then get back to you.
Tony
Still Frozen in NYC. [emoji106]
Sun shine memories to you. Thanks. How can I get a hold of such paint after we figure out what I need.
kicking Dust.
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What exactly are you painting, and are you looking for a perfect match to the original?
The 'brown' used on the 65 interiors was called 'saddle', it's between a tan and light brown.
The SEM paints I mentioned above might have something close.
If you want an exact match, visit your local autobody supply store, or get it mailorder from
http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/ (http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/)
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Here's a pic of a Saddle door panel. The whole car is on eBay if you want the whole package:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Buick-Skylark-Chrome-/172584215664?hash=item282ed22470:g:f98AAOSwCU1YzzXH&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Buick-Skylark-Chrome-/172584215664?hash=item282ed22470:g:f98AAOSwCU1YzzXH&vxp=mtr)
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Here's a pic of a Saddle door panel. The whole car is on eBay if you want the whole package:
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Buick-Skylark-Chrome-/172584215664?hash=item282ed22470:g:f98AAOSwCU1YzzXH&vxp=mtr[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Buick-Skylark-Chrome-/172584215664?hash=item282ed22470:g:f98AAOSwCU1YzzXH&vxp=mtr[/url])
I'm trying to dye the plastic trimming around the windshields. Dusty got upholstered into a dark brown before I came around. So I figure I could dye the new trim a close brown . I guess I have not taken many pictures of the inside. Here is the only one I have in hand. I take more later.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170323/c557b6fd328fe13d5003142b254e36c7.jpg)
kicking Dust.
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Nice dog! Neat coloring....hope you're not painting him/her to match the interior too!
Ok, your seats aren't a stock color anymore. You just want to paint items so they look like they belong but don't need to be a perfect match for the original. That's easier.
Here's a color chart for the SEM paints. Colors might be 'off', would be best to look at one in person.
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Dear Barb, Walt, and "ultimate" collectors of mid-60s Buick accessories, :laughing7:
Here is the only one I have in hand. I take more later.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170323/c557b6fd328fe13d5003142b254e36c7.jpg)
Nice looking pooch!
(http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/wink_smile_triangle.gif) . . . . However, I don't see dogs included is the 1965 Buick accessories catalog. Was your dog an unlisted Buick accessory for Dusty? . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/Laughing_LOL.gif)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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I don't see dogs included is the 1965 Buick accessories catalog. Was your dog an unlisted Buick accessory for Dusty? . . . .
It was only available to a few customers. Lol
kicking Dust.
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Nice dog! Neat coloring....hope you're not painting him/her to match the interior too!
Ok, your seats aren't a stock color anymore. You just want to paint items so they look like they belong but don't need to be a perfect match for the original. That's easier.
Here's a color chart for the SEM paints. Colors might be 'off', would be best to look at one in person.
Thanks, yes I do not need original, since Dusty is no longer original. I'm very sad to report that the husband did not green light me to restore Dusty to original.
kicking Dust.
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Hi Barb, Walt, Edouard. I found the 1965 paint bulletins in my literature collection. The darkest brown factory color is medium saddle poly, Ditzler paint code # 22570. according to my literature Ditzler did make darker brown colors but not for Buick in 1965. If you want to go darker to match your seats use the paint chip chart that Walt posted. SEM products are great I use them all the time, Just make sure you get a bottle of the plastic prep and follow the directions and take your time spraying and it will come out great.
Tony
28 degrees and 6 inches of ice in front of my garage ! :sad1:
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Dear Barb, Tony, and mid-60s Buick that "got torque" . . . .
I'm very sad to report that the husband did not green light me to restore Dusty to original.
(http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/wink.gif) . . . . Well now, if you can't restore Dusty all the back to his original factory condition, are you going to put the 455 back in and have some fun!! . . . .(http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/car_3gears.gif)
Just givin' ya' some . . . . temptation!! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/conscience_smiley.gif)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Dear Barb, Tony, and mid-60s Buick that "got torque" . . . .
I'm very sad to report that the husband did not green light me to restore Dusty to original.
([url]http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/wink.gif[/url]) . . . . Well now, if you can't restore Dusty all the back to his original factory condition, are you going to put the 455 back in and have some fun!! . . . .([url]http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/car_3gears.gif[/url])
Just givin' ya' some . . . . temptation!! ([url]http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/conscience_smiley.gif[/url])
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
No.[emoji22] The 455 was taken out 18 yrs ago and put in storage with other guys cars stuff. Guys he raced with. Then my husband lost interest on Dusty and everything else car related. A year ago when I started working on Dusty we found out that the unit was long emptied. I will keep Dusty healthy for the street. I got to spend my cash on something [emoji2]
kicking Dust.
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Nice dog! Neat coloring....hope you're not painting him/her to match the interior too!
Ok, your seats aren't a stock color anymore. You just want to paint items so they look like they belong but don't need to be a perfect match for the original. That's easier.
Here's a color chart for the SEM paints. Colors might be 'off', would be best to look at one in person.
Thanks, yes I do not need original, since Dusty is no longer original. I'm very sad to report that the husband did not green light me to restore Dusty to original.
kicking Dust.
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Not to worry; he looks good modified!
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Dear Barb, Jim, and mid-60s Buick performance fans,
No.([url]http://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji22.png[/url]) The 455 was taken out 18 yrs ago and put in storage with other guys cars stuff. Guys he raced with. Then my husband lost interest on Dusty and everything else car related. A year ago when I started working on Dusty we found out that the unit was long emptied. I will keep Dusty healthy for the street. I got to spend my cash on something ([url]http://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji2.png[/url])
Bummer dude! :angry1:
Well after all, perhaps not a great loss. Swapping a big-block into a 1965 Buick is quite a chore. Hopefully Dusty's original engine will behave. Should you run into trouble with it, another option is the Buick 350. They were made for many years so they are plentiful and with a little careful "decoration" they can be made to look like Dusty left the factory with the newer engine.
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
P.S. As a general rule with a classic car is always a good idea to have a plan-B in mind! :BangHead:
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Dear Barb, Jim, and mid-60s Buick performance fans,
No.([url]http://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji22.png[/url]) The 455 was taken out 18 yrs ago and put in storage with other guys cars stuff. Guys he raced with. Then my husband lost interest on Dusty and everything else car related. A year ago when I started working on Dusty we found out that the unit was long emptied. I will keep Dusty healthy for the street. I got to spend my cash on something ([url]http://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji2.png[/url])
Bummer dude! :angry1:
Well after all, perhaps not a great loss. Swapping a big-block into a 1965 Buick is quite a chore. Hopefully Dusty's original engine will behave. Should you run into trouble with it, another option is the Buick 350. They were made for many years so they are plentiful and with a little careful "decoration" they can be made to look like Dusty left the factory with the newer engine.
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
P.S. As a general rule with a classic car is always a good idea to have a plan-B in mind! :BangHead:
He has a 300 nail head. Now. I thought he had a 350. [emoji28] . Geez what other things do I not know.. I'm going to take very detail pictures and you all can school me.[emoji2]
kicking Dust.
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Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick historians,
He has a 300 nail head. Now. I thought he had a 350.
As long as you are getting an education, you should learn about the very interesting history of the Buick 300 cid V-8. It isn't a "nailhead" but an early version of the more modern engines that GM would produce throughout the 1960s. "Nailhead" refers to the size of the valves. They were so small on the some of the earlier engines that they resembled nails. Because the valves were that small, the engine couldn't "breathe" as well (pull in fresh air and expel exhaust efficiently.) The Buick 300 grew out of the 215 cid V-8 developed jointly by Buick, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac. Here is the story on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V8_engine#Buick_.22Small-Block.22 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V8_engine#Buick_.22Small-Block.22)
That was an all aluminum engine and was extremely advanced for it time. Alas, GM had trouble getting reliable aluminum castings because of aluminum is much more vulnerable to causing porous castings. By the time Dusty was made, the 300 was cast in iron instead.
As explained in the Wikipedia article, GM sold the rights to manufacture these engines to British Rover company and Rover succeeded in making an all aluminum 300 cid V-8. They did such a good job that GM tried to buy the rights back! The British version of these engines went on to having a very long life lasting until the 1990s. Some of the Rover parts can be back-fitted onto the original Buick engines. TA-Performance sells the Rover aluminum heads for the Buick 300.
So Dusty has a far more historic engine than even many Buick enthusiasts realize!
Cheers, Edouard
P.S. I've forgotten if I've already asked. Does Dusty have a motor oil formulated for a classic car with ZDDP?
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Not that I Know. I will ask since I have not drove him long enough to get its oil changed. It was put in last year when I pulled him out of my garage. I have any put 100 miles since I got him running .
kicking Dust.
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Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick historians,
He has a 300 nail head. Now. I thought he had a 350.
As long as you are getting an education, you should learn about the very interesting history of the Buick 300 cid V-8. It isn't a "nailhead" but an early version of the more modern engines that GM would produce throughout the 1960s. "Nailhead" refers to the size of the valves. They were so small on the some of the earlier engines that they resembled nails. Because the valves were that small, the engine couldn't "breathe" as well (pull in fresh air and expel exhaust efficiently.) The Buick 300 grew out of the 215 cid V-8 developed jointly by Buick, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac. Here is the story on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V8_engine#Buick_.22Small-Block.22 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V8_engine#Buick_.22Small-Block.22)
That was an all aluminum engine and was extremely advanced for it time. Alas, GM had trouble getting reliable aluminum castings because of aluminum is much more vulnerable to causing porous castings. By the time Dusty was made, the 300 was cast in iron instead.
As explained in the Wikipedia article, GM sold the rights to manufacture these engines to British Rover company and Rover succeeded in making an all aluminum 300 cid V-8. They did such a good job that GM tried to buy the rights back! The British version of these engines went on to having a very long life lasting until the 1990s. Some of the Rover parts can be back-fitted onto the original Buick engines. TA-Performance sells the Rover aluminum heads for the Buick 300.
So Dusty has a far more historic engine than even many Buick enthusiasts realize!
Cheers, Edouard
P.S. I've forgotten if I've already asked. Does Dusty have a motor oil formulated for a classic car with ZDDP?
You are a delight. I love the information you share with me. You make sound smart when I share it with others. Thanks.
kicking Dust.
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I believe the 64 300 engine had a cast iron block with aluminum heads and intake. In 65 Buick went to cast iron heads and intakes.
Some will say the nail head was given that name due to cylinder head design. When you place them on a flat surface, the valves are literally vertical, like a row of nails waiting to be driven into place with a hammer. :icon_biggrin: Kind of a cool design in my opinion. :occasion14:
Always good to ask questions, as there's no such thing as a silly or stupid one. Everyone of of us had to learn at some point. :icon_thumright:
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Dear Barb, Mister T., and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Not that I Know. I will ask since I have not drove him long enough to get its oil changed. It was put in last year when I pulled him out of my garage. I have any put 100 miles since I got him running .
I had hoped to dig up some references on the Internet that explained the problem with modern oils, but I struck out. It's been a long day and I don't have the to write up the problem myself. So stay tuned and hopefully I'll find the time tomorrow.
Cheers, Edouard
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Dear Barb, Mister T., and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Not that I Know. I will ask since I have not drove him long enough to get its oil changed. It was put in last year when I pulled him out of my garage. I have any put 100 miles since I got him running .
I had hoped to dig up some references on the Internet that explained the problem with modern oils, but I struck out. It's been a long day and I don't have the to write up the problem myself. So stay tuned and hopefully I'll find the time tomorrow.
Cheers, Edouard
Thank you. I asked but they do not recall being done. Do you think I should change it.? I mean it has sat for a year. I would not mind it, I am all for preventing damage.
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Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Not that I Know. I will ask since I have not drove him long enough to get its oil changed. It was put in last year when I pulled him out of my garage. I have any put 100 miles since I got him running .
If you look at just about any classic car publication, you see a buzz about oils (and oil additives) that contain ZDDP (Zinc dithiophosphate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_dithiophosphate).) As noted in the Wikipedia article, this compound was discovered in the 1940s and was soon added to lubricants like motor oil. It forms a very slippery film on parts like camshafts. Until recently, all camshafts were of the "flat tappet" variety. This means that there is a metal to metal surface contact between the camshaft and the lifter. Basically these are two pieces of steel rubbing against each other. Without some sort of lubricant, the lifter will wear down the lube of the camshaft. It is the camshaft lobes that control when the engine valves open and close. If the camshaft started to wear, the valves stop opening when they are supposed to and the engine will start to run rougher until it doesn't at all.
Unfortunately, a small amount of motor oil gets into the exhaust and it was discovered that ZDDP reacted with catalytic converters, effectively "clogging" them over time. So regulators required that the amount of ZDDP in motor oil be greatly reduced. Modern engines use a different system called a roller camshaft that puts a roller bearing in the place of the steel to steel contact point of the flat tappet camshafts. So reducing the amount ZDDP doesn't harm modern engines. However, this is not the case for engines built before the 1990s - like Dusty's.
Around 2005, the owners of small sports cars with high revving engines started to report mysterious engine failures after as little as 6 months after a rebuild. It took a while to determine the cause, but eventually it was concluded that the lack of ZDDP in the modern motor oils had caused excessive camshaft wear. From that point on, there was a race by motor oil makers to come with specially formulated oils for classic car engines. Today there is a dizzying number of motor oil brands with formulations for classic cars. Here is a 6 month old discussion about it on this forum:
http://65gs.com/board/index.php?topic=2931.msg19405#msg19405 (http://65gs.com/board/index.php?topic=2931.msg19405#msg19405)
Indeed, you don't have run over in panic to change Dusty's oil, but probably you shouldn't delay very long either. Biquette's original engine was rebuilt in 2001. In 2010 and after only about 10,000 miles, the engine started to run rough and there was clear evidence of timing errors in the opening and closing of the valves. So modern oils really do damage older engines. Switching to a classic car oil is something you should do at your earliest convenience.
Cheers, Edouard
P.S. There is an interesting post on V-8 Buick explaining of the issues, but that board is still down for an upgrade. I'll post the link when it comes back up.
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So interesting. Before Dusty , I would just send my car to the dealership. Since I was told that I had to make myself responsible for anything of Dusty's, I want to have as much knowledge stored to deal with anything that might come up. Thank you so much.
kicking Dust.
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Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Since I was told that I had to make myself responsible for anything of Dusty's, I want to have as much knowledge stored to deal with anything that might come up. Thank you so much.
V-8 Buick is still down for the count, so we'll all have to wait to access any information on the forum. However, while looking for something else, I came across some interesting articles on oil technology and classic cars. To make it easier to find I started a new thread:
http://65gs.com/board/index.php?topic=3392.0 (http://65gs.com/board/index.php?topic=3392.0)
As you can see we are all still learning!
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Great read, I have so many more questions . I will research the brands that it spoke about .
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Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick owners seeking the best motor oil,
Great read, I have so many more questions . I will research the brands that it spoke about .
V-8 Buick is back up but they seem to have destroyed my many year collection of subscribed threads. This is being saved? :angryfire:
Nonetheless with some careful searches I relocated the thread on oil technology:
http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/new-oil-tech.222499/ (http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/new-oil-tech.222499/)
You might find it an interesting read.
Cheers, Edouard
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Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick owners seeking the best motor oil,
Great read, I have so many more questions . I will research the brands that it spoke about .
V-8 Buick is back up but they seem to have destroyed my many year collection of subscribed threads. This is being saved? :angryfire:
Nonetheless with some careful searches I relocated the thread on oil technology:
[url]http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/new-oil-tech.222499/[/url] ([url]http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/new-oil-tech.222499/[/url])
You might find it an interesting read.
Cheers, Edouard
Thanks, I am really enjoying all the information.
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