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Interior & Tops => Interiors => Topic started by: Mark Ascher on April 30, 2012, 06:21:18 PM
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I should already know this - but don't. What holds the headliner in, or what trim is needed on the front, back and sides?
I can't remember.... I'm going to get this put in soon, and the upholstery guy as asking.
Mark
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Mark - Here are some pics I took as I was tearing down. Wish now I took more. Hope they help. Might take another post based on file size.
Dwaine
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Dwaine,
Awesome, that helps. The windlace covers the sides. I'm wondering now how the front & rear
are covered, if at all. I thought there was some plastic trim around the top and sides of the back window,
but can't recall now if anything is needed at the top of the windshield.
Mark
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More pics.
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Dwaine,
Awesome, that helps. The windlace covers the sides. I'm wondering now how the front & rear
are covered, if at all. I thought there was some plastic trim around the top and sides of the back window,
but can't recall now if anything is needed at the top of the windshield.
Mark
Pics of the front piece, but can't find the back trim. If I remember correctly they were simple rectangular shapes and has corner pieces on the bottom, or was it the top?? Well, maybe someone else has some pics of that area.
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Picture of the corner pieces at the bottom of the window and rear window trim assembled.
HTH :hello:
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Dwaine & Dr,
Thanks for the pics - much appreciated!
Mark
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One important note on the plastic trim. At the time I bought mine, Year One was the only place that had it, and when I purchased the trim they advertise for the '65 Skylark, it didn't fit. I think the two vertical pieces were too short and the bottom corner pieces were totally wrong. I bought the trim they have for a '65 GTO and it fit perfect. 5 pieces in all--two bottom corner pieces, two top corner pieces, one long piece across the top, and two vertical pieces for the sides. Just FYI, 2dr and 4 dr sedan cars have completely different inside rear window trim--they only use 3 pieces and the corners are made into the strips.
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I will scrounge all the inside trim later and post some pics.
Mark
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Found all the parts. Pictures coming today.
Mark
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Here's what I found. There are seven pieces for the back window; a long piece at the top to cover the pinch weld, four corner pieces and two strips 18 inches long for the sides of the window.
There are at least three for the windshield. One long one for the top that covers the pinch weld; two metal corners that screw into the top of the a-pillar.
There are two long sections of windlace that cover the headliner and pinch weld along the side of the a-pillar, and run along the top sides to the bottom of the c-pillar.
I have two strips I can't seem to locate a place for. They're flat on both sides, about 9 inches long and have about a 60 degree cut on one end. Posting a pic next.
Mark
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These.
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I believe those 2 pieces go on the edge of the package tray where it meets the side panels.
Tom
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That is correct--those slide over the edges of the package tray where it meets the headliner on the c-pillar. If they are sun baked, all you have to do is flip them over and put them on the other side and you have a fresh new face showing.
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Hi Guys,
I'm getting ready for the headliner install and been looking back at previous posts. My headliner was removed when I got the car, and the trims are long gone. I'm guessing they are available, I will have a look at the parts suggested by Brian for a "65 GTO" however thought I would check if anyone has a suggestion.
One important note on the plastic trim. At the time I bought mine, Year One was the only place that had it, and when I purchased the trim they advertise for the '65 Skylark, it didn't fit. I think the two vertical pieces were too short and the bottom corner pieces were totally wrong. I bought the trim they have for a '65 GTO and it fit perfect. 5 pieces in all--two bottom corner pieces, two top corner pieces, one long piece across the top, and two vertical pieces for the sides. Just FYI, 2dr and 4 dr sedan cars have completely different inside rear window trim--they only use 3 pieces and the corners are made into the strips.
Thanks Marcus
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Ames performance has everything you need. download the GTO catalog. go to pages 76-78. The pieces fit great, test fit them first, the lower corners I hit with the heat gun to form them for a tight fit. Then I painted them to match.
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We should have "like" buttons. lol
Jimbo has the right information for you Marcus. Both Ames Performance and Fusick Olds have many items that cross over to our Buicks.
Loren
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Hi Jim Loren and Others,
Thanks for the advice and catalog required for headliner trims.
I'm not one for questioning advice so please bear with me here...I have a large backorder and freight heading my way soon from OPGI. OPGI have informed me they also have the trims I require. Do you think they will all be the same?, or do I run the risk of ordering and finding out they are incorrect, and I should have gone with Ames or Fusick? Additionally, I have accumulated shopping points with OPGI that work in my favor from a cost perspective.
I'm also after some advice on the inner A pillar, is there a trim or is it simply painted?
Thanks Guys.
Marcus
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Good day Marcus,
I imagine that there most likely only one company manufacturing the plastic trim. I did take a look at the OPGI online catalog, and they do have all the pieces you need available. When ordering the rear package shelf you need the Deluxe Mesh style not the Standard style.
The "A" pillar is simply painted to go with the dash as I recall.
Loren
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Thanks Loren,
I need to check out my rear package shelf now, I ordered it years ago from Legendary it been sitting under my bed at home.
When ordering the rear package shelf you need the Deluxe Mesh style not the Standard style.
The "A" pillar is simply painted to go with the dash as I recall.
Loren
Regards
Marcus
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Ha,
That quote was got a bit mixed up in the making, I'm sure you understand though, (think I have afternoons work Christmas party on my mind)
Marcus
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Hi Everyone,
I had a guy fit my headliner on the weekend, it was good to see how he did it, but it go it a bit rushed, and I didn't look back on these posts to refresh my memory on how it should be finished.
Australian cars of the same age finish their headliners on the surface the front and back glass seals on, he didn't know how to seal against the edge the plastic trim fits on so he finished the same as an Australian car. After he was gone, I did my usual thing and spent time inspecting the work realizing it was wrong.
I'm considering making small cuts about 3-4 inches long where the liner wraps around the face its glued on, and gluing the liner to the correct location, allowing the new cut to dry then doing another section continuing this process until the entire length is complete, the alternative is to order another liner. How do you have enough material to pull wrap and glue on the correct surface if done correctly?
Thanks Marcus.
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Both front and back are pulled too far. The material is on the surface that the wind screen sets on.
Loren
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Marcus,
Did he only glue where it shows in your pictures? Only remove the area where the window sits/seals. hopefully he glued further inward. If not, use your idea and take your time.
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Hi Marcus, their should be a sheetmetal piece /edge around the whole roof line that the headliner is glued to and tucked over then the plastic edging covers and holds the headliner in place. The way it is now you can't put the trim on.jim
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Hi,marcus maybe you can make some sense out of my scribbling. Jim
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Hi Jim and Others,
Thanks for your sketch (yes it made sense to me), I almost posted a similar sketch to check my thinking was correct.
I've been in contact with Legendary haven't confirmed due to time differences they (Ron) said it is an easy fix, if all else fails their manufacture lead time is down to 2 weeks for a replacement, better than 6 months when I first ordered the interior during that little problem that sent the world crazy.
When my interior arrived (early 2021), I had a quick look then put it into storage. I've unpacked it now and discovered I'm missing the two sail sections and the lower arm rest section of the rear quarter interior, so I'm placing a new order with legendary now to get them.
I've sent the photo below to Legendary to check if I'm on the right track to repair the fault. If I do it in small sections about 4 inches each, one piece at a time, I think it will all be Ok. Attached photo is not to scale but hopefully give an idea of what I intend to do.
Thanks for advice
Marcus
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new photo attached, first one had the cuts back to front.
Marcus
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Hi the sail panels attach the same way.Jim
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Marcus, It may be possible to loosen the glue bond and peel off the headliner?
This is the adhesive which is often used for headliners and interior work. It would be best to contact the manufacturer and ask for their advise. Heat will likely loosen the bond, tho I'd be concerned about damaging the material or paint. Or maybe there is a solvent that will work.
https://www.dap.com/products-projects/product-categories/adhesives/contact-cement/landau-top-trim/ (https://www.dap.com/products-projects/product-categories/adhesives/contact-cement/landau-top-trim/)
Your idea of cutting/re gluing should work as well.
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Hi marcus,if its not glued to the sheet metal strip I'd take it all loose and start over from the center out I'm worried about wrinkles and tearing where cut .jim
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Hi Jim, Walt and Other Readers,
Thanks for the advice, the material was easy to pull away from the incorrect glued surface. I can now see how and where the headliner glues to, and folds around the sheet metal clip. I used the two short rear plastic trim pieces to test how the trim clips in with the liner in place. This headliner can be salvaged, however I'm going to replace it. The guy who installed it was off his A game on the day, he was a little generous with the heat gun and has scorched it in two places. The are small but noticeable, so I've decided to get another one. At least I can practice on this one. Since opening my interior from storage, I have realized I'm missing the sail sections so I need to get them made anyway. One way to ensure the color matches.
Does the headliner glue to the bracket on the C pillar, then the sail panel glue the headliner in the same location as the bracket?
Thanks
Marcus
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Few more photos of liner in correct position, and test run trim clips.
Marcus
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Marcus,
First off, a heat gun is way too much heat unless it has multiple heat settings. In your first post above this reply, there is a metal with cardboard piece that is screwed to the sail panel. This is used to staple the headliner material in place. I see it there, but it has some black finish on it.
A bit below that, there are two, approximately 1/4" holes, about 6 inches apart. Those holes are for trim clips that are mounted to the back side of the sail panel board that has a piece of the panel cardboard glued onto the backside of the sail panel board. I hope that makes sense. Unfortunately, I am in Florida till May and everything is back in Nebraska or I would be posting pictures to help with the description.
The headliner material on the sail panel wraps around the forward edge and the back edge of the roof metal. The forward edge is glued and covered by the wind lace. This is the quarter window area I'm referring to. The back, rear window, is held with glue and covered with the plastic trim. There are molded plastic corners for the top and bottom of the rear windscreen trim. Those pieces are available along with the three plastic pieces. Unfortunately, these are only available in black, so you will have to paint them blue to go with the interior.
Oh, at the bottom of the sail panel, DO NOT wrap the material around to the back side. It lays out over the metal of the package tray metal and is covered by the package tray board. Being that your Skylark is a hardtop, the package tray board used is the woven style.
Also, there should be two plastic pieces used on the package tray board. Those are also available, but not cheap. I see that OPGI has these pieces available.
Loren
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Forgot to mention that there are lamps mounted in the sail panels.
Loren
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Patience is the key I sometimes took a couple of days to really stretch the headliner right
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Very nice job, Jim. :thumbsup:
Thanks for posting the pics here. Those show the lamps that are in the sail panels.
Loren
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I have two original cars here, one intact and one being disassembled, so hit me up if you need any specific pics.
Legendary admitted that their headliners weren't 100% accurate, if that matters to you.
SMS Auto Fabrics, you never really know how long they will take,
But their tier grain vinyl was spot on.
If you don't have the lamps for the rear sail panels,
The ones they sell new online aren't correct.
Theirs are ribbed and the originals smooth.
Again, let meknow if you need any pics.
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Hi Fellas,
Thanks for the help with my headliner questions, hopefully my replacement will be here soon. One thing we have plenty of here and that's warm sunshine, my new headliner will be spread in the sun to warm up and become flexible prior to installation.
Jim, thanks for photos and advice, very welcome from my end
Clatter, thanks for advice and offer of photos, I'm lucky here no one knows what a Buick Skylark is, so internal lights don't really matter if they are flat or ribbed
Loren, I have found the metal and cardboard piece that holds the sail in position. Not sure how the new sails will arrive, if they will have the backing and trim clips or not? when you say "staple the headliner to the metal trim" do you mean a staple is driven through the headliner into the metal trim or is headliner clamped in place by the trim screwed to the sail panel?
Looking closely at my old sail trim I can see the different shapes the sail material has around its perimeter depending on how its finished (wind lace or plastic trim). I have a new woven package tray that may need some trimming to fit properly, I also have new plastic trim for the rear windscreen however the lower corners don't seem quite right, something to worry about another day...
Thanks again for help and support
Marcus
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old sail panel
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Loren, I have found the metal and cardboard piece that holds the sail in position. Not sure how the new sails will arrive, if they will have the backing and trim clips or not? when you say "staple the headliner to the metal trim" do you mean a staple is driven through the headliner into the metal trim or is headliner clamped in place by the trim screwed to the sail panel?
Thanks again for help and support
Marcus
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Hi Marcus,
The piece I'm referring is a "C" shaped metal piece that has a cardboard sandwiched into it. You have a picture of it in post 31 and asked if that is where the headliner is "glued". That is where the headliner is stapled. I think the cardboard is not obvious to you because it has been painted black.
Loren
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Hi Fellas,
Loren, you are the Guru and correct once again.
Haven't had much time for the Skylark lately, but did sit in it and look at the C pilar over the weekend thinking what cardboard...? recalling your words cardboard sandwiched into it. So, I pressed my fingernail into the paint and Ureka! I found the long-lost cardboard. Now I wait for a new headliner and sail.
Thanks again
Marcus
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You found it! :thumbsup:
I have the benefit of having installed a few headliners over the years. lol
Loren