65GS.com - Buick Gran Sport Enthusiasts!
Paint, Trim & Chrome => Trim & Chrome => Topic started by: wheelz on January 19, 2016, 09:10:07 PM
-
Just about to receive a set of GORGEOUS RESTORED 66 GS HOOD grilles/Scoops for a customer but I am not sure how to detail them? Are these Black inside the ribs? or Grey or Argent silver? or all chrome?
Pix would help!
Thanks Guys!
Wheelz, Tampa Bay
-
Dear Wheelz and mid-60s shutterbugs, . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/camera_small.gif)
Just about to receive a set of GORGEOUS RESTORED 66 GS HOOD grilles/Scoops for a customer
. . .
Pix would help!
(http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/wink_smile_triangle.gif) . . . . Oh no you don't! You want pictures, then you need to post some pictures of those "GORGEOUS RESTORED 66 GS HOOD grilles/Scoops" so that we can see all that gorgeous detail! . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/big_grin_triangle.gif)
After all, can you ever have too many photos posted on a forum? Isn't that sort of like can you ever have too much chrome on a classic car? . . . :laughing7:
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
-
They are painted black inside the ribs from the factory. I'm pretty sure it's just a satin black
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Wheelz, you're in luck!, I have a pic on file.
Paint the low-lying areas satin black. The raised ribs should be chrome.
-
PERFECT Walt! THANQ! :headbang:
-
Edouard and others, I sent out my customers original gs hood grilles to Jim at Custom Metal Finishing (EXCELLENT WORK BTW) along with tail light trim and a few console pieces... I was told yestday they are done and on their way.. CANT WAIT.
I will post pix when they come in.
My customer lives in Sarasota and his Dad bought the 66 GS vert new from Darby Buick in late 65 with 3 miles on the odo.
Still sports original AND STILL VERY NICE Turquoise Mist lacquer, white bucket interior, white vert top, a/c, auto... SahhWeet car. I have pix somewhere....
Plans are, this spring, he wants me to convert AFB to QJ. Over this past year, I have purchased a rare 66 QJ intake with original carb, correct QJ chrome air cleaner and most recently a set of 66 ribbed valve covers. And while we are at it, replace the dull chrome trim with newly replated original parts, some as mentioned above. . .
Wheeelz, Tampa Bay
-
Dear Wheelz, Dan, Walt, and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Thanks for the information! I'll be interest to see how the scoop restoration turned out. Thanks for the reference to Custom Metal Finishing. I'll check them out. Just to be sure, are these the folks?
http://www.chromeplatingin.com/index.html (http://www.chromeplatingin.com/index.html)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
-
YIP! Datz The Place! ..and owner Jimmy Canfield is a BUICK GUY too!!
Tellum WHEELZ, Tampa Bay sent ya! :cheers2:
-
Dear Wheelz and mid-60s Buick guys! . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/cool_small.gif)
YIP! Datz The Place! ..and owner Jimmy Canfield is a BUICK GUY too!!
Oooh! Now that's really da' real McCoy. . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/bouncey.gif)
Of should that be da' real McBuick? . . . :laughing7:
Tellum WHEELZ, Tampa Bay sent ya! :cheers2:
Alright, I'll do that! :thumbsup:
Thanks again! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/smiley.gif)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
-
I'm interested in seeing how great these turned out too, and the cost.
-
Every part I've received from CMF over the past almost 10 years has been RIGHT ON EXCELLENT! Im sure these will be nice as well. My only concern is hopefully, they will be packed SECURE enuf to not get busted during handling... those long points kinda scare me... I strapped them to a piece of 1/2 plastic substrate and doubled boxed when I sent them up...
Cost wasnt too bad at $328 plus $18 waste for the set.
Stay tuned!
Wheelz, Tampa Bay
-
Dear Wheelz, Jim, and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Every part I've received from CMF over the past almost 10 years has been RIGHT ON EXCELLENT!
Okay, okay, so you've got my interest! So how do you arrange to have a piece restored? Do you send pictures and Jim gives you a guesstimate or should you ask to send in the piece and only Jim gives you a price for restoring them?
Cost wasnt too bad at $328 plus $18 waste for the set.
Yes, that does sound reasonable. Especially because there is a guy on V-8 Buick trying to sell NOS pieces like the ones I want to restore for . . . . $1200!! . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/eek-sign.gif)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
-
Dear Wheelz, Jim, and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
Every part I've received from CMF over the past almost 10 years has been RIGHT ON EXCELLENT!
Okay, okay, so you've got my interest! So how do you arrange to have a piece restored? Do you send pictures and Jim gives you a guesstimate or should you ask to send in the piece and only Jim gives you a price for restoring them?
Cost wasnt too bad at $328 plus $18 waste for the set.
Yes, that does sound reasonable. Especially because there is a guy on V-8 Buick trying to sell NOS pieces like the ones I want to restore for . . . . $1200!! . . . ([url]http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/eek-sign.gif[/url])
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
I don't see the NOS ones over on V8, where is it listed?
-
Wheelz, how bad were these pitted before plating? Shipping is a problem with the long spears like you said. Have heard of horror stories of them broken during plating and shipment. Thanks Bill.
-
I trust the Crewe at CMF. I send them the parts, Cindy sends me a quote. I either accept or decline their prices. I have never declined any estimates from them. BTW Pauls in PA wants $400 EACH to restore...
and Bill. . , I too, OVERLY CONCERNED regarding shipping these delicate grilles.... I bought half sheet 5/8" styrene stable base material. Punched holes for the studs, cut out the areas where the grille sits lower and taped the heck oudta the grilles to the styrene. DDOOUUBBLLEE wrapped more styrene on both sides, and packaged them in a box, surrounded by 3" of shredded paper in another box. You would have to jump on the box to bust those things...
Im not say'n it couldnt happen, but I darn-sure made the effort to make sure it wouldnt happen because of packaging. I insured them for $1500 and Local Fedex Manager told me anything shipped requiring that kind of insurance, needed to be inspected as per new guidelines, prior to sealing the package. She saw how they were packaged and approved the parcel for $1500 insurance. She took pix as well.
I have covered my butt.
Anytime now I will receive the parts... I will keep you all updated.
Wheelz, Tampa Bay
-
Sorry Bill... I forgot to answer your inquiry about pitting. There was typical pitting here'n there as one would imagine. The worst part was the chrome was thin and worn thru in many places prolly from over polishing or sun bake. I failed to snap a few before pix. :BangHead:
I am going to guess that IF your grilles are severely pitted requiring more hand work, grinding, copper rod braising, filling, multiple copper applications, etc... their quote would more'n likely reflect that...
Wheelz, Tampa Bay
-
UPDATEUPDATEUPDATE: You asked for feedback on rechromed parts, right?
I received 8 parts from CMF, 2 - 1966 GS hood grilles, set of tail light housings, set of tail light quarter trims and a few other pieces. Anywhooo, As I have used CMF for 18 years, I am pleased with most of the parts. The hood grilles, well... not so much. I C A R E F U L L Y handled, packaged and sent them 2 EXCELLENT hood grilles, no cracks, all original studs intact and no busted anything.
They gave me a quote, and I accepted.
On the bottom of that quote page stated:
"THESE HOOD GRILLES HAVE A RECESSED AREA THAT WILL NEED TO BE PAINTED, WE WILL NOT DO ANY REFINISHING IN THESE AREAS, THEREFORE IT MAY REQUIRE ATTENTION BY PAINTER". ok,. so I kinda figured that some post-work was required....
The parts arrived a few days ago. I will admit, VERY NICE NICE CHROME PLATING! What I didnt appreciate was they broke off BOTH spears from one grille and YES, they repaired it nicely. (these were intentionally packaged so they wouldnt get damaged and I SERIOUSLY requested "Special Handling" during the chrome plating process so they wouldnt get damaged). well THAT didnt help. YES they repaired them, nevertheless, these were EXCELLENT CORES when they left here. :violent1:
The other thing that is very discouraging to me is... they stated "the recessed areas will need work" and I was OK with that....however, the recessed areas have seriously MORE pitting than when they left here, I guess, due to the sandblasting process... SO NOW, I have "craters" twixt the fine, small dainty areas that will need to SOMEHOW be worked out to SMOOTH?
CAN someone please tell me HOW the heck can this be done WITHOUT DAMAGING THE NICE CHROME PLATED HIGHLIGHTED FINE RIBS???
To say I am not pleased is an understatement. IN fact, I'm almost askeer'd to show these to my customer.
I have been unable to talk to James Canfield about my dismay.... but I may try to do this tomorrow. I detest the thot of having to confront a man who has done a nice job for me in the past... Gnome say'n?
Take a good look at these pix and offer your feedback...
Wheelz, Tampa Bay
-
I've heard of these being broken during restoration. You are very fortunate they were able to be repaired successfully, some shops have destroyed them trying to repair them.
They do go through a lot of handling in restoration...... a MUCH more torturous process than when they were first made. I cant imagine taking these to a buffing wheel and NOT breaking them!
I'm thinking they should be firmly attached to some sort of frame during the whole rechrome process to offer support. Maybe a frame made of 1/4" square stock to support the spears.
Any pit in chrome needs to be cleaned out..... remove the chrome, and there's a bigger pit under it. Clean out the decayed material, and the pit gets even bigger. Filling those pits with solder would be extremely time consuming.
Since it gets painted, there are less labor intensive ways to fill and repair.
I'd suggest:
A coat of self etching primer, then clean primer from top of ribs with thinner.
Then perhaps use a syringe or eye dropper to apply hi-build primer into the pits. Let dry and repeat as necessary. Paint would be somewhat self-leveling, whereas a bondo would not be.
A final coat of hi-build, then sand smooth if necessary. Finish with satin black. It's gonna take some time.
They could have better informed you of what you should have expected. In that respect they failed. I'd suggest calling and asking if they can recommend a good repair/repaint method. Explain they look worse than you expected and don't know how best to proceed. Hopefully they will at least apologize for the 'pit enhancement' that occurred.
I realize you paid to have them restored and didn't expect to do so much finish work. Maybe that's why a shop like Paul's Chrome Plating wants $400 each to do a complete refinishing.
-
Wow, I can see I am not going to send a set to get re-done. I agree with Walt on the way to fix. Do you have any close up pictures of them before? It will be interesting if the chromer has any other ideas on repair. It appears the process to get the chrome ready do repair and plating produced the holes from the pits. Did you see that many pits, on them before plating?
-
Yes. The pitting was there, albiet much less noticable. Sorta/Kinda compared to an iceberg where only the top part shows. I understand what media blasting does to pot metal & pitted areas... however, I never invisioned these would look like they do when they came back to me.
FWIW, I am not angry with the finisher, they did what they said they would do...I am just disappointed with the amount of work I need to do now. I have a call in to CMF.
QUESTION?.... would it be TOTALLY WRONG to apply an industrial 3M type Black UNDERCOATING... heavier, but non smooth finish, to these grilles? ..and then polish the highlighted ribs??
I ask b'kuz I did that exact thing with a set of 69 GS hood grilles and it looked very nice while protecting from further possible errosion.
Thots?
Wheelz, Tampa Bay
-
I have a few sets of these and just cleaned them up with chrome cleaners and polishes, then had the black areas painted at a body shop. They charged me $75 a set. They are not show quality but with the money I saved I was able to put a factory 1966 Skylark AM/FM radio in all 3 of the cars.
-
ohh boy. . . a WholeLota stuff just changed.... I am copying and pasting this story from my fresh post on V8Buick...
wellnow..THAT changes E V E R Y T H I N G...
A relatively new, hoping to become a good Customer living in Sarasota contacted me in 2014 asking me to do some work on his Fathers 66 Gran Sport 4 speed Vert, loaded with factory a/c, tilt, power windows, I guess every power option available. Loaded and rare indeed.
The Father, now elderly but when in the USAF back then, purchased this rare Buick off-the-showroom floor (Darby Buick) while stationed at MacDill AFB Tampa. The car sported about 86K miles...and the vin was 006!
The son Bill, contacted me thru friends and asked me to start collecting 'upgrade' original performance parts ie: correct 66 Nailhead QJ intake, QJ carb, air cleaner, ribbed valve covers, etc... I began collecting these parts, and perhaps bought parts from some of you guys for this project.
Early December, the son met me in St Pete with some trim parts, hood scoops, tail light housings, trunk trims and $850 deposit to get the ball rolling. I sent some of those parts out for restoration to CMF Indiana, some of the stainless went to a local friend whom polishes and some of the money went towards purchasing motor parts.
FAST FORWARD TODAY: Feb 01, 2016:
I had been trying to contact Bill since mid January, never got any answer and while I did leave quite a few messages. . . a call back never happened till this morning.
SOME of you may have heard that on January 17th 2016, Sarasota and the out island areas like Siesta Key were hit by one or perhaps two devastating tornados. A lot of damage. Ya. The 66 GS was indeed, smack in the path of one of the areas heavily destroyed.
Bill explains it as best I can recall our conversation, kinda went like this:
It took almost a week for Condo Association Insurance Group to do a comprehensive accessment of the property damage. This insurance company worked alongside Haggerty Auto Insurance and they collectively hired a flatbed to haul the car away from the rubble for a thorough inspection. The Latino car hauler guy showed up very late, in the darkness, still UNlit parking lot, was allowed to enter the premises and signed off by the on-duty building security Officer on the evening January 25th. Complete with signed paperwork, the 'significantly damaged' 66 GS Vert 4 speed was quickly loaded and hauled off to a reputable shop for accessment. The hope was to obtain a FAIR AND REASONABLE estimate to have the car restored. Meanwhile the condo association began the rebuilding process of the units damaged. The building had to be 'secured and shored up' before anyone could enter the facility to claim furniture, appliances, clothes and such, which all had to be replaced, belongings had to be inventoried, replacement electronics had to be verified ..etc etc... it is a huge undertaking for everyone involved as Im sure some of you Mid West guys may have unfortunately experienced at one time er another.
The son was just told saturday, his car NEVER ARRIVED AT the designated repair facility chosen by Haggerty, on the 25th, 26th or the 27th or ever..... In fact, the address on the flatbed hauler document was, ya, you-got-it, a non existant address. The car is gone. Vanished. NO ONE knows where it is. Like dust in the wind. No trace. The Condominium survelience recorders were still INOPerable and no one bothered to get identification from the driver, NOR noted any signs on the truck indicating WHO was really hauling the rare collector car off... Sure sounds like a Professional rip off job to me.
Some of the guys were joking that IT COULD BE ONE OF THOSE SURPRISE RESTO SHOPS seen on TV who would secretly restore the car and surprise the owner?... naaaah. Bill is sure, someone (he hisself) would have HAD TO KNOW bout that kind of plan.... right?
so now. . . .THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING.
The Condo Insurance Company and many of the local Law Enforcement agencies including I was told, The FBI, are working feverishly to figure out HOW this was even possible.
I for one, certainly HOPE AND PRAY the car shows up sometime as all the parts I've bought for this conversion, close to $1800 worth, plus all the chrome plating of restored parts.... as of today are now on hold neatly packed in several boxes till further notice... . . . . .could take years.
Un.
Bee.
Leeeevable.
Wheelz, Tampa Bay
-
That's horrible news!!!! I hope that car turns up.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Very sad news. I'd hate to think it ended up in a chop shop :crybaby2:
-
So sorry to hear about this Wheelz, . . . . :crybaby2:
Taking care of a classic car is a balancing act when things are going well. Given the trauma of recovering from the tornado, that somebody didn't check on that tow company is understandable, but there are times when you should pay the extra money for an outfit that has a proven track record. I got steered into a cheepy tow truck this autumn and fortunately he did nothing more than flake out.
I sure hope this car does show up. I don't think chop shops would know what do to and that might be enough time to recover it especially since it was seriously damaged and not operable.
Still, terribly sad indeed . . . . . :crybaby2:
Edouard
-
I hope this story gets a happy ending!
-
Ditto on the Happy Ending. I would be livid.
-
That's a real shame. The owners went through a lot with the tornado, and now this.... must be devastating.
Hope the car shows up. Keep us updated.
Kind of ironic that the insurance company supposedly arranged the pick up and now the car is possibly stolen. They should know better.
There's a '66 GS wanted' ad on Boston's Craigslist that comes up every time I do a search. Probably Jimmy.... he wants every '66 GS he can get his hands on! And Facebook has a '66 GS Registry site. Might want to give them a (discrete) heads up in case someone tries to unload it.
-
Good Idea! Do you have ANY contact info for Jimmy? I will look into the 66 F/B site as well.
FWIW, I was contacted by a detective late last night regarding this 66 GS. I was asked HOW MUCH I KNEW about the car? WHAT and HOW MUCH I knew about the whole case?... AND If I had any information that could lead to any traces of the car?... and was told they HAVE "my name on file for future contact." :icon_scratch:
Got the feeling I was being sorta interrogated. I understand they have to follow each and every lead whenever possible. Still, it felt really weird being on that end of a fone call.... gnome say'n?
-
Really sad to hear about the 66 GS convert going missing. I wonder if anyone thought about checking every local scrap yard and auto shredder within say a 100 mile radius.
Another thought is perhaps the "car hauler" replied to a posting board such as U-Ship or similar with designs on stealing the car all along. I would be asking Haggerty and the Condo Association Insurance Group about how that was handled. Something is quite amiss here. It would not surprise me to learn the job was posted to an online brokerage firm, given the likely number of vehicles to be evaluated for damage claims.
-
I bet the perpetrators are going to be in for quite a shock when the hi-dollar 'Chevelle SS' they thought they got turns out to be something that is going to be very difficult to get rid of.
-
I bet the perpetrators are going to be in for quite a shock when the hi-dollar 'Chevelle SS' they thought they got turns out to be something that is going to be very difficult to get rid of.
It is interesting how a lower production and higher quality vehicle like our Buicks has less interest and overall top end value then the belly button cars.
Good for us in one way, not so in another.
Loren
-
Sad but true Loren. The materials and build quality of our Buicks far surpasses those of the Chevelles and Mopars that command such high prices.
It's going to be tough unloading a Buick or it's parts unless there is already a destination in mind.
Dennis, here are two more Buick parts specialists that should keep their eyes open:
Russ at http://nailheadbuick.com/ (http://nailheadbuick.com/)
and James at http://www.bestoffercounts.com/site/ (http://www.bestoffercounts.com/site/)
I'll guess there had to be insider information that led to the cars 'disappearance'. Somebody rerouted it.
-
ThanX Walt! I've talked to both Russ Martin AND Jim at Bestofferdiscounts...
I cant comment on whats going on with the 'search' cuz I havent heard anything. :tard:
Wheelz, Tampa Bay
-
Dear Walt, Loren, Wheelz, and mid-60s Buick lovers,
I bet the perpetrators are going to be in for quite a shock when the hi-dollar 'Chevelle SS' they thought they got turns out to be something that is going to be very difficult to get rid of.
It is interesting how a lower production and higher quality vehicle like our Buicks has less interest and overall top end value then the belly button cars.
Good for us in one way, not so in another.
Sadly it reminds us that part of the collector car game is nostalgia and what cars got "remembered." Chevy and Ford so dominate the market that they shape popular culture in a way other brands fail to do. The difference between Chevy and GM has never been that large and it is growing smaller. My sister's 2009 Chevy Cobalt as a GM logo on the side and doesn't have a lot of Chevy branding. Does GM really believe in its divisions or not?
In the 1960s GM did want each division to find its market niche, but even then upper management wasn't being even-handed so that every division to seek out that niche. I suppose GM assumed that guys who started out poor and could only afford a Chevy would nonetheless "gravitate" to a Buick if they were successful. Had this happened all GM divisions would have thrived. I think instead a sizeable fraction of first-time Chevy buyer would remain loyal to Chevy not just GM. People who switched brands might jump ship completely to Ford, Mopar, and the rest. So it took a rare bird to be loyal to a brand like Buick. There just aren't enough people with memories like that to drive the nostalgia about classic Buicks.
Strange how a bit of sociology ultimately drives the very hard-nosed business of car prices.
Cheers, Edouard
-
I thought the thread was about 66 GS diecast hood scoops.
:icon_scratch:
Mark
-
I thought the thread was about 66 GS diecast hood scoops.
:icon_scratch:
Mark
Kind of got side tracked
Loren
-
Gtoman also sells Buick parts
-
Guys, almost a month has passed with no updates, until I finally rec'd this short VM late yesterday:
"17 other vehicles were reportedly stolen that same evening in January, included but not limited to, 1 Audi R8, 3 Ftype New Jaguar Convertible, 67 427 Vette, hemi cuda from various dealership cars and a collection of 6 original 1950's Indian Chief motorcycles from a guys garage storage also damaged in the severe weather. No trace of ANY vehicles. This case has now been upgraded, tracked and labeled as a "professional international theft ring" possibly based out out of Central/South America"... VERY POSSIBLY the same auto theft ring who supposedly pulled this off as a HIGH END Auto net loss of over 5.2 million in vehicles in South Florida when Hurricane Andrew demolished that part of the state. end of message.
all I can say is wow. In this day and age of supposedly safer, secure technology, we are still dealing with these kinds of thefts. :icon_scratch:
Sad, sad day. :crybaby2:
Looks like I may be selling off some expensive 66 GS parts soon.
Wheelz, Tampa Bay
-
Dear Wheelz and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
all I can say is wow. In this day and age of supposedly safer, secure technology, we are still dealing with these kinds of thefts. :icon_scratch:
So sorry that this story has gone this way. Unfortunately, technology doesn't enforce any kind of morality and the bad guys are benefiting from all the improved communication as much as the rest of us. So car thieves truly can serve a global market.
Truly very sad . . . . :crybaby2:
Edouadr
-
Guys, almost a month has passed with no updates, until I finally rec'd this short VM late yesterday:
"17 other vehicles were reportedly stolen that same evening in January, included but not limited to, 1 Audi R8, 3 Ftype New Jaguar Convertible, 67 427 Vette, hemi cuda from various dealership cars and a collection of 6 original 1950's Indian Chief motorcycles from a guys garage storage also damaged in the severe weather. No trace of ANY vehicles. This case has now been upgraded, tracked and labeled as a "professional international theft ring" possibly based out out of Central/South America"... VERY POSSIBLY the same auto theft ring who supposedly pulled this off as a HIGH END Auto net loss of over 5.2 million in vehicles in South Florida when Hurricane Andrew demolished that part of the state. end of message.
all I can say is wow. In this day and age of supposedly safer, secure technology, we are still dealing with these kinds of thefts. :icon_scratch:
Sad, sad day. :crybaby2:
Looks like I may be selling off some expensive 66 GS parts soon.
Wheelz, Tampa Bay
I have some 66's but not much money. Keep me in mind anyway.😀
-
Dear Wheelz and mid-60s Buick chrome restorers, . . .
YIP! Datz The Place! ..and owner Jimmy Canfield is a BUICK GUY too!!
Tellum WHEELZ, Tampa Bay sent ya! :cheers2:
Well, it has only taken me 5 months to get around to do cleaning the parts, taking the pictures, and finally sending an email! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/rolleyes.gif) This afternoon, I finally managed to put the pieces to together and send an email to Jim and his crew at Custom Metal Finishing. I suppose they'll get back to me after the holidays.
Yes indeed I did tell them that Wheelz sent me! :icon_thumright:
Cheers, Edouard