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General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: yachtsmanbill on May 21, 2019, 05:06:54 PM
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How did we end up in parts wanted? Im starting this new thred here so that I can find ME. Whew!
So I am giving myself 2-3 days to do the tank job, if using the old tank proves worthwhile. If not its another Magic Bullet for syphilis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_bullet_(medicine)
"Targeting" the problem areas, I dont see to much of a problem. This whole job was financed by a T-Bird flip I did last year. I got an original owner 1988 T-Bird turbo coupe/5 speed with 80K on it for 200.00. It was in storage since 2012. There was a fracture in the gas tank so it was bone dry, save for the fuel pump well. A fresh battery and it started with less than a full revolution of the crank. Put a few gallons of gas in it and it was hitting the ground as it went in! A NEW ROT-AUTO TANK SOLVED THAT, however, it was yet another chapter in Mein Kampf getting that tank in. Theres a plastic cover over the entire bottom that was left off. The buyer took it with him, and a hearty good luck from me.
Any other struggles I can expect??? Bill
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Hey Bill,
I saw this on Fee- Bay , ridiculous low price for a new gas tank.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-1965-Buick-Buick-Skylark-GS-Special-Fuel-Tank-with-1-Vent-in-Front/173909663833?fits=Year%3A1965%7CModel%3ASkylark%7CMake%3ABuick&hash=item287dd2e059:g:6FMAAOSw77Jc5ASQ (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-1965-Buick-Buick-Skylark-GS-Special-Fuel-Tank-with-1-Vent-in-Front/173909663833?fits=Year%3A1965%7CModel%3ASkylark%7CMake%3ABuick&hash=item287dd2e059:g:6FMAAOSw77Jc5ASQ)
Loren
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AND THATS DELIVERED! whatcha guys think? The compatibility lists only 64-65 cars. Hmm. Need some thoughts on this please! Bill
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'64 and '65 would be the same tank. '66 has a different filler neck .
Loren
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It looks good and still fits the budget (or whats left of it LOL). The seller has ZERO transactions and ZERO feedback on edog. Is that a killer? Bill
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I am leery. It must cost over $20 just to ship that large a box.
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https://www.facebook.com/firstplaceautoproducts (https://www.facebook.com/firstplaceautoproducts)
Here is "First Place Auto Parts" Facebook page. FWIW.
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I have a question: How do I get some of Bill's energy?!
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Thats a good'n'. I just try to set a goal for the day. If Im done at 1:00 its good. If it runs till 5:00 so be it. Ya cant watch the clock and ya hafta enjoy what yer doing. To be honest, if I take a day off to recuperate, its tuff to get back on track. It also helps I have Pats blessing. Money is a bit tight, but it keeps me from the horse track and outa the taverns.
Its 10:00 pm and bed is at 2230hrs. I am usually up at 0400 with a few power naps during the day; before and AFTER the work is done. That doesnt include up twice a night with leg cramps. The jerks at work used to call me lazy, but 50% of them are dead now. HINT: The WIFI radio in the shop helps. I listen to stuff that was offbeat in the 70's and that sets me right back to being in my 20's. I still get a boost when a successful project come to fruition.
Tonight was 2 frozen ber slushies, 2 oxy's, an alprazolam, regular heart meds, and back at it tomorrow. Im 64, fat, and smoke, and the doctors think I shouldve expired 10 years ago. I just keep going, and if I stop, the big guy will pull the plug... my biggest fear. Stay with it!
Im really curious about that tank. Ill have some answers tomorrow. Bill
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https://www.facebook.com/firstplaceautoproducts (https://www.facebook.com/firstplaceautoproducts)
Here is "First Place Auto Parts" Facebook page. FWIW.
A bit of Googling shows they're part of 'Restoration Parts Unlimited' (RPUI). RPUI consists of Trim Parts, PUI Interiors, The Right Stuff, and Soffseal. 'First Place' shares their address with Trim Parts.
FPAP looks like a legit company, but they're brand new to eBay having joined on May 2, 2019.
I'd suggest inquiring what their warranty and return policies are. Their business partners are reputable companies, that's a good sign.
The Spectra/Quanta repo tanks have been the industry standard (Made in Canada?). There may be a new guy in town....
I've scored a Quanta tank on Amazon for $90, I just happened to luck out and catch one of those momentary price drops! Advance Auto also had a great price when using the 25%-off discount codes. Only downside to Rock Auto is the shipping charges.
Yeah Bill, I'm another admirer of your energy and drive! :thumbsup:
And Loren, thanks for the FPAP tip! :thumbsup:
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Hey Walt... good to see ya back! I sure dont mind a new player in town as long as its on this side of the Pacific Rim and they can make a quality product. I did some searching last night and found the same info. Maybe just a super sale to garner some fresh sales to get established? They have a ton of tanks for sale, so Im sure THEY are not the manufactures; just so its not a re-stamped used WOK with extra virgin asian carp fish oil and garlic.
I took another look this morning, and they also provide pre bent brake lines and such as well. It would be nice if they work out! Bill
https://www.getdiscbrakes.com/parts/1964-Buick-Special/fuel-tanks/ (https://www.getdiscbrakes.com/parts/1964-Buick-Special/fuel-tanks/)
http://rpui.com/?page_id=51 (http://rpui.com/?page_id=51)
https://www.trimparts.com/ (https://www.trimparts.com/)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-1965-Buick-Buick-Skylark-GS-Special-Fuel-Tank-with-1-Vent-in-Front/173909663833?fits=Year%3A1965%7CModel%3ASkylark%7CMake%3ABuick&hash=item287dd2e059:g:6FMAAOSw77Jc5ASQ (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-1965-Buick-Buick-Skylark-GS-Special-Fuel-Tank-with-1-Vent-in-Front/173909663833?fits=Year%3A1965%7CModel%3ASkylark%7CMake%3ABuick&hash=item287dd2e059:g:6FMAAOSw77Jc5ASQ)
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So this is what I got back this morning. I responded with a question about returns if poor fit up causes issues. Thatll be the knife or the sutures! Bill
New message from: fpautoparts (0)
Thanks for the inquiry! The tank does include the gasket for the sending unit. It does not include straps. The part is not made in the US but is a quality import item.
Please let us know if you have any additional questions.
Thank you,
First Place
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Your previous message
Greetings! Does this tank come with a sending unit gasket, straps or any other hardware? thanks ! This is for my 1964 Buick skylark special. Is it US made?
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So I called Ohio, and got this:
The tank is in fact made in Taiwan, vehicle specific for fit, galvanized steel, 30 day return policy against fit or damage in shipping. No other feedback was available.
The sales gal said shipping wasnt cheap, and I mentioned the Ebay deal, even she admitted that it was a steal! I think Im gonna do it. Please stop me with thougts or ideas before its too late! Bill
The comp on this is from CARID in Tampa withprice at 109.00 PLUS 75.00 on the shipping. Hmmm
https://www.ebay.com/itm/For-Buick-Skylark-1964-1965-Replace-FTK010275-Fuel-Tank/232477526241?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D9840559aa67c460eb92b2472d838be2e%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D8%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D173909663833%26itm%3D232477526241&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/For-Buick-Skylark-1964-1965-Replace-FTK010275-Fuel-Tank/232477526241?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D9840559aa67c460eb92b2472d838be2e%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D8%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D173909663833%26itm%3D232477526241&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851)
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Uh-oh, The eBay tank from FPAP is no longer listed?
Spectra Premium/Quanta shows the 64-65 tank is # GM37J. Has the original type Terne plating (tin/lead). Considered to be a 'just like original' replacement.
http://www.gastanks.com/Skylark/products/234/ (http://www.gastanks.com/Skylark/products/234/)
Amazon has it for $170 shipped.
Amazon also lists a 'Wiglleys' tank for $99.99. I'll guess it's a cheap knock-off similar to the FPAP.
https://www.amazon.com/WIGLLEYS-GM37J-IGM37J-SKYLARK-SPECIAL/dp/B07GYZRKCN/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=gm37j&qid=1558535902&s=automotive&sr=1-2 (https://www.amazon.com/WIGLLEYS-GM37J-IGM37J-SKYLARK-SPECIAL/dp/B07GYZRKCN/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=gm37j&qid=1558535902&s=automotive&sr=1-2)
The Spectra/Quanta is avail from Advance Auto for $121.49 after 25% off discount code. Free shipping too.
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/spectra-premium-fuel-tank-gm37j/18320682-P?navigationPath=L1 (https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/spectra-premium-fuel-tank-gm37j/18320682-P?navigationPath=L1)*14932%7CL2*14986%7CL3*15386
You can't go wrong with a Spectra/Quanta. The knock offs are likely to work just as well but long-term corrosion resistance would be my concern.
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Gotta start with a story...
In 1969, my dads pal had a sister in Kansas City, Mo. that bought a 1941 Mercury rag top BRAND NEW. One of the very last pre-war 'verts from Mercury. In about 1948 she side swiped the garage door crunching a rear fender and got scared so she quit driving. In 1969, my dad and his pal pack up with new tires and oil change stuff with plugs and wires and make the 500+ mile trip to KCMO from Chicago to swap the stuff and drive the car home. Toss in some fresh gas and away they go. Had a few cooling issues but other than that made the trip to Chicago. A lot of the trip was on Route 66 back then. My dad kept it for a while then sold it to my best friend's' dad. He kept it until he croaked and left it to his son, my pal. That car today is probably north of 100K. Its that nice.
After that trip I was always taught to try with what youve got first. So today out of haste and common sense, I ordered the cheap china tank. Hey for 72.00 if it lasts a year, Ill be OK with it. Right now the sump is empty at the credit union, and I cant drive it as is and I refuse to let it sit. Im buried alive, and past the point of no return. Next winter Ill be all caught up and able to continue funneling funds into this project. I still have a mortgage, my boat, the 72 XGS and a motorcycle. Theres a limit, and, I suppose a lesson to be learned here. I havent got to the lesson part, but I am studying for the exam LOL.
So today I syphoned 7-1/2 gallons of something petroleum based outa the tank. Had it on the bench in 30 minutes. UNBELIEVABLE! There wasnt that much sludge in there, but was pretty rusty, so no regrets on this one. The varnish was not too disturbed and had mostly attached itself to the sender and the gas sock. The fuel pump had sucked it to the point of collapse. One squeeze by fingers, and I had sticky orange stuff on my hands that wont come off. I doubt that much more than new gas passed through the system, especially the filter. A bullet dodged? I sure hope so.
Now Im gonna thank those that persisted in telling me to pull the tank! As I said, no regrets. The only real regret? No build sheet, but an absolutely pristine tank pad! Its supple enough to re-use :occasion14: :occasion14:
Im gonna rig up my test can to the fuel pump and run some fresh gas through that end to purge it, then change the in line filter. Next year Ill also upgrade the frame pipe to 3/8". It is in fact 5/16", but since Im not road racing this guy, thats going to suffice. Its almost time for some fun. While its down, Im installing a new temp gage and T stat. Also need to get some Right Stuff for the valve covers. That seems like the right approach however $$$. Thanks for putting up with me fellas! Bill
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And a few more pics... ws
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Dear Bill, Loren, Jim, Michael, Iain, Walt, and mid-60s Buick caregivers,
I have a question: How do I get some of Bill's energy?!
(http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/wink.gif) . . . I'm not sure about that! Maybe we need to put a governor on Bill! I can hardly keep up! . . . :laughing7:
Seriously, I see that your 'Lark's gas cap has seen better days. You won't have too much trouble finding a replacement. It is a non-vented cap. Station wagons on the other hand are vented caps and. . . . . are not easy to find! :BangHead:
However, there were a number of design changes over the 1960s and 1970s. You "might" have a problem with the caps that have protrusions on the lid. They don't fit in a wagon's filler bay. Also, gas caps after unleaded gas have a different depth than those for cars taking leaded gas. So a 1970 cap that looks very much the same won't fit a mid-60s car.
You guys might know all about this but . . . . . but I didn't! :icon_scratch:
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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I was a little leary about the aftermarket sending units,but I ended up buying a stainless steel version with a larger 3/8 line. The gauge works excellent.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gas-Fuel-Tank-Sending-Unit-Stainless-Steel-3-8-for-GM-A-Body-Chevelle-GTO-Lemans/311663640891?fits=Year%3A1964%7CModel%3ASkylark&hash=item489099c13b:g:OtsAAOSwIbtb7dPB (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gas-Fuel-Tank-Sending-Unit-Stainless-Steel-3-8-for-GM-A-Body-Chevelle-GTO-Lemans/311663640891?fits=Year%3A1964%7CModel%3ASkylark&hash=item489099c13b:g:OtsAAOSwIbtb7dPB)
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Did you upgrade the frame rail pipe as well? Looks like another "While yer in there" moment coming on! Bill
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I changed my 5/16 fuel line for 3/8, one piece. (convertible/boxed frame).
I bowed the line in the middle, pulled the front through the frame by the cowl and out the frame horn by the steering gear box and front member, and that allowed the back bended part to be pulled over the rear axle (hanging) as the car was on jack stands.
I also had the trans crossmember out but it really was not as hard as the brake lines were. (both on the driver's side)
I am all about "while you're in there...".
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Im debating whether "now or later" on the frame pipe. The new sender is 3/8 and Im pretty sure the 1975 pump nipple is 3/8 as well. The 2 door coupe frame has an open section by the crossmember to make getting a pipe in there pretty easy. Did that with the brake pipe. Hate to buy a full 20 foot coil again; that means a coupling mid point with cheater lines. ws
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I think yours should be easier than the boxed frame,but not for sure. The nailhead engines are a bit of an afterthought in engineering and had a hose running under the oil pan to run to the pump on the passenger side. Under the driver side cowl there is an oval shape cutout that the factory routed the fuel line through and it had a protective rubber sleeve over the line to protect it from road vibration. I think if you snuck it through there first and worked toward the tank it would be the way to go.
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Not too sure. I did the brake lines (all 4 corners) and it was pretty easy. I dint get into the rolling offset however (thats the twist over one another) but still turned out pretty satisfactory. You can bet Ill take the easiest route possible; just so the judges dont get down there with mirrors and borescopes LOL... ws