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General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: 65gs76limited on January 05, 2009, 09:04:04 AM
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I was doing some research and came across Option S7 (tilt wheel) which is required with B9(ST 300 automatic trans).It says that B9 is part of the performance group.I've seen a lot of automatic GS' over the years and very few had a tilt wheel.If the car has a ST 300 it should have a tilt and i know this is in correct.What am i not understanding here? Tom
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Great question, I have a '65 GS convertible automatic, and some of the people on this site suggested that the "S" on my trim cowl tag indicated tilt column. My column is not tilt (wish it was), and appears original to the car.
Steve
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Tom,
As I understand it, tilt was only available with the ST300, not with the manual trans cars.
So it's the reverse of your statement - if the car has tilt, it should have the ST300.
I've never seen a tilt 65 in person, but I know they were made.
Mark
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Mark,next time i'am at my storage building i'll take a few pictures of the one in a GS convertible.Thanks for the reply.I get it now.If you wanted a tilt wheel the auto was required. Thanks. P.S. Wait till you guys see th condition of the steering wheel.
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My 4-speed has a tilt column-
All the cars had some sort of floor shift,
I don't see why the 4-speed + tilt would
require anything different from ST300+ tilt??
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I don't know enough to tell you 100% what was offered then. What the literature stated and what they actually built could be two different things.
I know Brian Stone's 4 speed car has tilt too, but he just parted an ST300 car with tilt.
Mark
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Mark, you never looked too closely at my GS .
I was told at one time, tilt column was not used in a manual car due to the launch ability of a manual car and the tilt could release it's position , causing the steering wheel to move down.
Just hear-say .
Over the years, I've met so many older Buick people [older then me,lol]. Wish I could remember the guys name I met at a BCA nats that was involved with the '65 campaign GS cars. He was very interesting to talk with. He explained that those cars had different cams and carbs while they were being run for competition then were stock. When the cars were sold ,the stock parts were put back in.
Then there was the guy that designed the sport wheels. That is when I found out about the differences from year to year. He had a set of original "65 wheels that were never on a car. Wouldn't sell them either.
The list could go on
Loren
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Ted,does your 4-speed car have the S7 option on the cowl tag?
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Loren,
Was the guys name Dennis? I can't remember his last name but I think I know who you are talking about. Our buddy John Egle would know if we could ever get him on the site. ;D
As far as I know, there is not a letter in any of the groups that shows up for tilt steering. I can go back through the registry info and see if there is a pattern with all the cars listed with a tilt.
To date, this is what I have for cowl tag codes:
First Group
E = Tinted glass (all windows)
O = Two tone paint
T = Might be power drivers seat ???
W = Tinted windshield
X = Power Windows
Second Group
B = Three speed trans
F = Consolette for 3 or 4 speed trans
G = Long auto console
K= Air conditioning
L = Four Speed
P = Back up lamps
R = Don't know (rear speaker) ??
X = St 300 auto trans
Third Group
B = Rear window defogger
H= Optional exterior trim (Deluxe trim / wide belt molding)
Fourth Group
F = Remote controlled outside driver's mirror
S = GS code? Let's talk about this.... ;)
Fifth Group
K = Door edge guards
W= Deluxe seat belts with retractors
I'm currently working on a part of the website that will list this infomation and detail exactly how to read a cowl tag.
More to come...
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Chris,
I honestly don't remember his name. I talked with him at the '92 BCA nationals at Overland Park, KS. He was reminiscing about the time he was with Buick in '65 and involved with the GS's that were campaigned on the dragways. Very interesting conversation we had. Unfortunately, I was trying to prep my car for being judged in the show at the same time. I was a little distracted, to say the least.
Funny thing , that same show was when John Egle and I first met. I've come to learn that is what sparked him to finish his first GS.
Loren
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John has told me about that chance meeting before and how much he respects you.
Now if we can just get John on this board! ;D (acutally I think he's working on it)
Dennis Manner was the person I was thinking of, but since it was KC and they had a plant there, I betcha is was someone different and probably a local person who working with Buick.
I believe that Dennis was / is still a Flint fellow.
Chris
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Wish my memory was better about that experience. Unfortunately, tring to ready a car for a national judgeing takes alot of time and care . Time was short right then as I was also a judge in another class that day. Our car took a gold and also received a senior division award.
Loren
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Guys,
Well, I'm on board as of today. Just needed Chris to shove me in the right direction. Thanks.
Loren, at the 1992 BCA Nationals, you were more than generous with the time you spent with me. You did inspire me to finish the restoration of my first GS that I've had since high school (1970). I can never thank you enough for all the help and information. No, I do not know who that other guy was that you made reference to.
I do have tilt wheels in both the white hardtop and the silver convertible that I'm currently restoring. Both are automatics. However, both were built in Fremont. CA and options codes are not stamped on Fremont built firewall trim tags. Sorry, I can't help with the tilt wheel code. Mark, were you too busy smoking the tires on the white hardtop to notice the tilt steering wheel?
John Egel (to clear up the confusion, it is pronounced "eagle")
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Hey John!
What me, smoke the hides??!! Your right though, I never noticed the tilt in the White car!
Brian just parted a Fremont 65GS w/tilt. I couldn't talk him out of it though. It had the CA emissions air cleaner and hardware, which I am very grateful to be getting.
Mark
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Funny thing , that same show was when John Egle and I first met. I've come to learn that is what sparked him to finish his first GS.
Loren
Thats two you've corrupted now.
Mark
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John,
About darn time you made it on the board! ;D
For those who don't know, John has been my 65 GS mentor. It all started about 5 years ago after I bought my first 65 Skylark Convertible and wanted more performance. I found a 65 GS convertible in NJ and didn't know anything about them. I searched the internet and found John's email address and asked him all the typical questions about if she was real or not.
To say the least I bought the car and still have it and John has become a very close friend in the process. I've been lucky enough to have gone to 3 GS National events with John and have picked up many 65 buddies along the way.
With all that said.. WELCOME ABOARD BUDDY and I'm sure it'll feel like home to you around here.
Chris
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Guys,
It's allways fun to give someone help. I'm glad to be back with my Buick friends ,after a long hiatus.
So now on with building the next one, or two , or three.
Still a lot of dream projects
Loren
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Loren... I second that! ;D
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So Mark.........are you suggesting that I'm a bad influence? lol
Melissa probably agree?
Keep going pal,
Loren
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Chris, thanks for the welcome. Becoming one of your good friends has been a rewarding experience for me and Karen. It's great to talk with someone who has both youth and passion for the '65 GSs. Also thanks for the "late night computer help line".
Sorry, this has nothing to do with the tilt steering wheels thread.
John
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So Mark.........are you suggesting that I'm a bad influence? lol
Melissa probably agree?
Keep going pal,
Loren
Your a very bad influence, but I don't think Melissa minds that much. She got a kick out of driving that car before we tore it down. ;D
Back to tilt steering...
Mark
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Guys..CAN I JUMP IN here? I know I'm a NEWBIE to this forum, but NO WAY a Newbie to Buicks! I purchased a 65 GS vert 8 years ago...CONVERTIBLE. Loaded. Like Power bucket seats. Power windows. TILT. Factory A/C. Posi. BUT WAIT..THATS NOT ALL!!! This car WAS/IS a 4 speed too! The original consolette with tach was in the trunk along with other non important stuff like 4 speed bellhousing. A box of linkages/Z- bars and old rusty shifter. I havent performed ANY research as of yet, because I am still completing some 70 GS projects and just cant find the time, YET. BUT SOON. Ya see, it "appears" to be an original 4 speed car, hole in the floor and all...but this car was found with a transplanted 300 auto that was obviously just plopped in and never hooked up...The seller told me he and his son ruined the original 401 and bought a 4 door just for the engine, back in 82. Nevertheless, this car is loaded including a TILT...Hopefully I will find the build sheet when the resto begins to take away all doubt! 65 GS Convertible, TILT, A/C, power everything and 4 SPEED... gotta love it! Wheelz, Tampa Bay
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Hey Wheelz.. great to see you around here. ;D
Could you post a picture of your firewall tag?
With all those options, I'd love to see if any new codes pop up that we've not recorded yet.
Attaching a picture is really easy here, just use the Additional Options link beneath the area where you type in your messages (replies) and browse your drive for the picture. Once you've clicked on it, just finish posting your message and it should be there.
If you need to resize your picture, check out the Announcements section for the Free picture resizer program.
Hope to keep seeing your around here.. we all know you're a 65 guy at your core! ;D
Chris
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORLi4Z6d9TU&feature=related I hope this works. The ad states that a tilt wheel was offered on a 4-speed chevelle so I can't imagine it not being offered on the Gran Sport. Tom
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What'da ya think about that Chris? I'm becoming quit the little Geekster. :overthetop:
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according to the 65 Buick order form, the option S-7 tilt wheel was not available with 3 speed column shift. would assume 4 speed floor was avail.! :dontknow:
Al
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I'm impressed Tom... are you ready to write some PHP code for me now?
:rocker:
Chris
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The tilt column and a 4 speed was available.
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HuH? PHP What? :icon_scratch: