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Drivetrain => The Dual Quad => Topic started by: GranSportSedan on July 11, 2018, 06:11:13 PM
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Hi,
Dual quads weren't offered from the factory, but many stories about dealer installed setups, or being shipped in the trunk.
With that said there is 2 cast iron manifolds, a 64 and one used in both 65 and 66. 64 had a different kickdown from what I understand.
I have a stick, so not sure the difference between kick downs for a st400 vs a st300, maybe some will chome in with more info.
Sounds like a good project
Cheers,
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It will look good and proper. If you can get the correct 2x4 "big"
I have the 2x4 on my nailhead and while troubleshooting a "hunting/rough" idle, i pulled the 2x4 and put on a Quadrajet intake and carb, and with the Q-jet dialed in, it is like a different car. It runs smooth and transitions correctly from idle though WOT, and all variations, as well as up and down shifting. (manual trans) But it just doesn't "spank it" like the duals.
The power difference is very noticable using my "Mk1 Mod2 Butt Dyno.
The 401 loves that 2x4 setup and I will be putting it back on after I make sure the surfaces that meet the heads are straight. (the heads are nice and flat and smooth, but I suspect the intake surface needs to be flat filed or machined.
Anyway, if you can locate the correct, large air filter housing, it will look "correct" as it should (not purist, but period specific).
I elected to go with finned aluminum. I have never been a "bling guy", and always preferred function over form and "go!" over "Show", but the nailhead is like a Barbie doll of engines and begs to be dressed up.
If you go with the 2x4, tap the exhaust ports in the intake for the primary side of the rear carb and put in 1/8 NPT plugs.
(http://www.wootmonkey.com/upload/2017/12/26/20171226201138-f8999504.jpg)
(mocking up)
(http://www.wootmonkey.com/_data/i/upload/2018/04/27/20180427073211-b7dd16a7-me.jpg)
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I have a driver quality dual quad air cleaner for a 65/66 nailhead. PM if interested.
:cheers2:
Chuck
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Well, you're gonna have to paint that 65 manifold Buick red if you want to make it look right on a 66!
Manifold should end in '116' for a 65-66, ends in '106' for 1964.
66 carbs have different part numbers but I don't think there are any real differences other than tuning.
The linkage was changed sometime late 65/66. The slider on the front carb was a solid block on the early ones and a u-shaped piece of metal on the later ones. Supposedly the early style was more prone to binding.
Here's a pic of the late style on eBay. I bought one today with the 15% off eBay code 'primosale' which is good for another hour.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Buick-Nailhead-Riviera-Wildcat-Grand-Sport401-425-1964-1966-Dual-Quad-linkage/132290416194?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Buick-Nailhead-Riviera-Wildcat-Grand-Sport401-425-1964-1966-Dual-Quad-linkage/132290416194?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649)
Glad you bought a 66! Congrats! When do we get to see pics?
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the nailhead is like a Barbie doll of engines and begs to be dressed up.
A Barbie doll with a peg leg and eye patch!
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I Picked up a nice little 66 GS project and have the opportunity to pick up a 65 dual quad setup as well. anything about the 65 setup that wont work or look right on a 66? any difference in the air cleaners ? i'm told the person selling the setup has had the kickdown bracket modified to work in the A body cars. is this a normal thing to do?
There is no modification necessary to the kickdown bracket to make it work in an A-body. I have both original air cleaner and kickdown bracket on my GS. You will need to have the distributor recurved for a 2X4 application , also the cam was also different for a 2X4 engine.
As for the 2X4 setup , there was a Buick Service Bulletin issued April 14, 1966. It was number 620 , Gr. 64 . To the best of my knowledge, this is the first OFFICIAL mention of the 2X4 from Buick .
Loren
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Sounds like a great plan Bob!
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"Never give up - never surrender!"
-Commander Quincy Taggart
(but be careful of the chompy, crushy things...)
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Hi Bob,
What are the part numbers on the AFB carbs? Not sure how factory correct you want them to be. Attached is a summary of correct AFB carbs by model year for your reference.
It appears you'll have a nice original air cleaner. So, you won't need the adapters on the tops of the carbs. The air cleaner should fit correctly on the carbs without the adapters.
I've not seen a throttle linkage like the one in the picture. If I read the TSB that Loren referenced correctly, 65 and 66 dual quads should use the same linkage. And that linkage is not what I have for my 65 setup. A correct 65 linkage, which should be the same for 66, is shown in the engine picture attached. It's also shown in figure 2 of the TSB.
What does the acorn nut look like? In good shape? Hard to tell from the picture.
Good luck!
Chuck
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From the pics what I can see.
Front carb shows idle circuit screws, the 2x4s did not have them on the front.
The throttle linkage is not the correct progressive rod and trunnion.
The 2x4 runs best with the progressive.
Ask for the carb model numbers to be sure what you are getting.
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Bob, that looks like a pretty nice air cleaner on there, adds to the value since you don?t need to rechrome it for hundreds of $$$.
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I have 1965 and 1966 Q-jet intakes and an air cleaner, along with a Q-jet that was re-built by Mark at Q-jet power.
The Q-jet has less than 100 miles on it.
If you are interested PM or email me and we can talk and I'll take some pictures.
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Bob,
I have a set of nice original 66 aluminum valve covers if you are interested.
Thanks, Lynn
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Bob,
I have a set of nice original 66 aluminum valve covers if you are interested.
Thanks, Lynn
Thank you, but what I'd really like to have is a set of factory chrome valve covers
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Must tease Bob...
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I can't find the finished engine pics but this is the look for my 65 Gran Sport. 66 air cleaner and chrome valve covers to dress this one.
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Must tease Bob...
I love it, just substitute a chrome dual quad air cleaner and you'll have what my idea of perfection is and my ultimate goal. looks like I will have to send a set of valve covers out to be chromed.
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Dear Ted, Bob, and mid-60s Buick owners who are fussy about the "vitamins and minerals" their engines get.
Must tease Bob...
I can't find the finished engine pics but this is the look for my 65 Gran Sport. 66 air cleaner and chrome valve covers to dress this one.
(http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/wink_smile_triangle.gif) . . . . . Not bad, but sorry to see that this engine is suffering from a mineral deficiency . . . . . not enough chrome!!!! :sunny: . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/Laughing_LOL.gif)
Cheers, Edouard :occasion14:
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Must tease Bob...
I just noticed you have the ultra rare A/C block off plates on this car.. wow your one lucky dude.
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managed to locate and buy a correct front carb, a reproduction progressive linkage and a factory kickdown bracket. had the rear carb correctly cloned, both carbs rebuilt and I located a set of chrome 66 valve covers. this dual quad nailhead stuff sure isnt cheap. :tard:
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Looks great. I was able to locate a few sets of chrome valve covers too, they look good on the nailheads!
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Looks great. I was able to locate a few sets of chrome valve covers too, they look good on the nailheads!
Bob,
Use tandem not progressive linkage.
The intakes do not flow well to the front cylinders of only fed from the rear carb. It will run lean up front, and you likely will be too rich at idle in the rear.
The velocity is high enough that the engine will not "over carb" even if you stick your foot all the way up the nailhead's butt from off idle.
The tandem is much easier to set and adjust, too.
:)
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Looks great. I was able to locate a few sets of chrome valve covers too, they look good on the nailheads!
Bob,
Use tandem not progressive linkage.
The intakes do not flow well to the front cylinders of only fed from the rear carb. It will run lean up front, and you likely will be too rich at idle in the rear.
The velocity is high enough that the engine will not "over carb" even if you stick your foot all the way up the nailhead's butt from off idle.
The tandem is much easier to set and adjust, too.
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thanks for the tip. thats an easy adjustment to make even with the factory linkage