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Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration
« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2020, 07:50:39 AM »
Hey Mate,

  No additional bracing is necessary for a hard top or post sedan body. I don't know the weight , but four guys can pick one up fairly easily.

  Good to see you are making some headway,
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Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration
« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2020, 07:39:31 PM »
Hi Buick Lovers,

More progress made in AUS, I have the frame off the body and ready to rebuild the motor. Starting to look at suspension, brakes and frame restoration.

Happy to take any recommendations on disk brake conversions and suspension components.

Regards Marcus

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Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration
« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2020, 07:42:27 PM »
Body off frame

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Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration
« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2020, 07:45:32 PM »
Body on rotisserie

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How stock brake and suspension? (Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration)
« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2020, 01:06:40 PM »
Dear Marcus and mid-60s Buick caregivers,

More progress made in AUS, I have the frame off the body and ready to rebuild the motor.

Thanks for the photos!  You are making great progress!

What's your plan for rebuilding the engine?  Are you going to have the parts machined and rebuild it yourself or are you going to send it to an engine rebuilder?

Happy to take any recommendations on disk brake conversions and suspension components.

How close do you want to keep the car stock appearing?  I haven't been paying very close attention, but it appears trying to use the original wheels with any front disc brake conversion kit is difficult.  Can somebody correct me on this one?

If you were thinking about going with larger tires (and therefore wheels,) there are lots of choices for disc brakes (front only or all 4 wheels) and suspension upgrades.  If you let us know what you had in mind for the car we can better help with recommendations.

Thanks for the update!

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14:

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Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration
« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2020, 07:45:14 PM »
Nice progress!
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Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration
« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2020, 11:27:36 PM »
Hi Edouard and other readers

Thanks for opening the can of worms....this is where my questions will begin to fly.

My plan for the engine rebuild is to keep it as close to factory spec's as possible. I have had the engine running when I first got it home, it has either a blown head gasket or a cracked head there was water in the sump oil. So if its a non repairable cracked head I will be on this forum seeking anyone with a set of heads for sale to fit a 300. I would like to put a little cam shaft in it to so it sounds nice, any advice on mild cam sizes will be gratefully accepted. Buick motors are not too common over here, we are flooded with Chevy gear. I'm also seeking advice on the exhaust manifold, not sure if I should put a set of extractors on it ( I think you guys call them headers) I just want that little 300 to sound nice. My factory exhaust manifold has a  slight crack in it, should be able to have it repaired but as I keep saying I'm open to any suggestions from you blokes who have done it all before.
 
As for your question, I am putting the motor into a shop to have all the work done. I always intended on doing it myself however time never seems to be available, and I do want to see this old girl running. My scope for the build is to get it as close to factory as possible and a very reliable driver that I can drive the wheels off any time I like. Lucky for me my Buick is an imported car in Australia, so no one really knows too much about them or how they were released from factory. Australian Muscle cars are a whole different story when it comes to critics ( I guess you bloke understand that with Buicks in USA)

As for wheels , suspension and brakes. I've been advised its a good idea to fit disc brakes on the front end to reduce side pull when you need to stop. My car has non factory wheels that I always planned on replacing with factory wheels. Mine are what we call "Hot Wires" however they are starting to grow on me. I really need to do some homework on wheels and tires, I don't have any other old cars and I think 15" tires are easier to purchase here than the old 14's. Time to do some tire research.

I'm also very keen to get some feedback on suspension lowering kits, and advice on who to by pars from. I don't want to go crazy, but I do believe slightly lowered cars look pretty cool. I defiantly don't want to compromise ride comfort though.

Hope you guys are all keeping safe and driving your cars as much as possible. It's the first day of Spring today, I'm hoping to have the rebuilt engine and gearbox sitting on the restored frame by the end of summer.

Marcus.


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« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2020, 01:41:57 PM »
Dear Marcus, Jim, and mid-60s Buick caregivers,

My plan for the engine rebuild is to keep it as close to factory spec's as possible. I have had the engine running when I first got it home, it has either a blown head gasket or a cracked head there was water in the sump oil. So if its a non repairable cracked head I will be on this forum seeking anyone with a set of heads for sale to fit a 300.


Hopefully you won't need a new set of heads, but if so, heads for the Buick 300 shouldn't be too hard to come by.

I would like to put a little cam shaft in it to so it sounds nice, any advice on mild cam sizes will be gratefully accepted. Buick motors are not too common over here, we are flooded with Chevy gear.


Do you have a copy of the TA-Performance catalog?  You can download a copy on their website, although it is nice to have a paper copy to flip though.

http://www.taperformance.com/

There is a good overview of camshaft choices.  My car has a camshaft profile close to the Buick design for the Stage-1 big blocks.  According to the catalog, they can make a Stage-1 camshaft for the Buick 300.  However, I don't know of anybody who has tried that camshaft on this engine.  There is a further issue in that my car has electronic fuel injection that further smooths out the idle.  On the other hand, the Stage-1 option was available from the Buick factory.  So even with a carburetor, Stage-1 engines were practical back in the day.

Does anyone else have thoughts on camshafts for the 300?

I'm also seeking advice on the exhaust manifold, not sure if I should put a set of extractors on it ( I think you guys call them headers) I just want that little 300 to sound nice. My factory exhaust manifold has a  slight crack in it, should be able to have it repaired but as I keep saying I'm open to any suggestions from you blokes who have done it all before.


Is anybody running headers on a Buick 300?   A quick web search shows that there are some headers for the Buick 340 that might fit on the 300.  Here is an example:

https://www.centuryperformance.com/exhaust-system/headers/headers-by-engine/buick/buick-340/

There is a shop on eBay that claims to have headers that will fit on a Buick 300 starting as far back as 1964:

https://www.ebay.com/i/271015843008

Does anybody around here know if these headers will fit the 300 without clearance problems?
 

As for your question, I am putting the motor into a shop to have all the work done. I always intended on doing it myself however time never seems to be available, and I do want to see this old girl running. My scope for the build is to get it as close to factory as possible and a very reliable driver that I can drive the wheels off any time I like. Lucky for me my Buick is an imported car in Australia, so no one really knows too much about them or how they were released from factory. Australian Muscle cars are a whole different story when it comes to critics ( I guess you bloke understand that with Buicks in USA)


I understand your situation.  Do you have access to a shop with experience with classic car engines?  Buick engines need to be put together with a little extra care.  Buick was a luxury car line and their equipment was built to higher standards because that was what their clientele expected.

As for wheels , suspension and brakes. I've been advised its a good idea to fit disc brakes on the front end to reduce side pull when you need to stop. My car has non factory wheels that I always planned on replacing with factory wheels. Mine are what we call "Hot Wires" however they are starting to grow on me. I really need to do some homework on wheels and tires, I don't have any other old cars and I think 15" tires are easier to purchase here than the old 14's. Time to do some tire research.


15" wheels will give many brake and suspension choices.

There are many tire choices for 15" wheels and many choices for 15" wheels.  Not only will your choices effect the performance of your car but will make a dramatic statement about how the car appears.  It is possible to make the car look very close to how it came off the factory.  However, you might want to dress the car up a bit without sacrificing period originality.  My car has replica Buick rally wheels and 1" white wall tires.  The combination is quintessential mid-1960s, but very classy.  Everybody is different, and probably the best thing for you to do is look at how other guys have done up their car.

I'm also very keen to get some feedback on suspension lowering kits


Someone else will have answer this question for you.  My goal was to create a tow vehicle so I had different suspension needs.

Hope you guys are all keeping safe and driving your cars as much as possible. It's the first day of Spring today, I'm hoping to have the rebuilt engine and gearbox sitting on the restored frame by the end of summer.


Yes indeed, down under it is spring!  Here the driving season is starting to wind down depending on one's latitude.

Best of luck on your ongoing restoration!   :thumbsup:

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14:

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Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration
« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2020, 09:36:17 PM »
Hi Edouard and other Buick lovers,

Mate thanks for help it was exactly what I was after, I'm a bit time poor at the moment and cannot give a detailed response.

Heads are off the block and initial inspection looks like it was just the gaskets, I'm about to email TA and get the ball rolling on replacement components.

Again thanks for pointing me towards TA and Century, that was what I was after rather thann individual searches on ebay. It makes it tough trying to build a car that nobody really knows anything about ( Me included).

I will respond in detail soon with my findings, oh one last thing.  My auto is booked in for the 28th of this month for a full rebuild, I've found a shop in my home town who specialize in old 2 speeds, ST300 and power glides so that makes things easy.

Regards Marcus

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Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration
« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2020, 10:30:12 PM »
Hey Marcus,
   Crower offers camshafts for the 300-340. They have been popular with guys building the 300. Their downloadable catalog has excellent recommendations for desired performance levels of the 300.

The best cam for your combo will depend on several factors. Compression ratio, intake/exhaust system mods,  transmission and rear gear ratio, your desired rpm range, and even the octane of the fuel you will be using are the more important factors.

Comparing specs between the T/A and Crower, the Stage 1 cam is on the big side for a 300. Next one down is the TA 112 which is close to the Crower 'Level 3 cam'. Your description seems a better match for a slightly smaller cam such as the 'Level 2', maybe even the 340 cam.

I have seen Crower 300 cam recommendations over on V8Buick. Here's a thread on building the 300:
http://v8buick.com/index.php?threads/a-guide-to-building-the-lil-guy-the-mighty-300.191151/
V8 board member Jim Blackwood is real sharp on building a Buick 300. It's a popular engine to swap into a MG. There are several Brit forums which have a great deal of tips for the 300 as the engine evolved into the Rover V8.


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« Reply #55 on: September 03, 2020, 01:44:09 PM »
Dear Marus, Walt, and mid-60s Buick caregivers,

Thanks for jumping in Walt!  I was definitely feeling over my head!  As hoped, you had much better advice than I could ever provide.

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14:

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Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration
« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2020, 08:20:09 PM »
Hi Edouard, Walt, Jim and All Buick Lovers.
I've got my frame stripped and painted, really happy with the result. No damage that needed repair on the frame, I did notice one slight buckle in the steel in the front RHS chassis rail, I have no idea how it happened or if it will need to be reshaped to get the bumper bolted back on. please take a look at the photo and comment, I guess I should have had a go at trying to reshape it prior to paint.

I've made the decision to go for 15" wheels to cater for the disc brake front end, any suggestions who to buy the kit required will be appreciated, I've been looking on eBay however haven't purchased any thing at this stage. Engine and transmission are still in the shop, moving along slowly. the block will require machining, its been hot at some stage and scored the bore, I guess that's to be expected.
Hope you enjoy the photos.

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Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration
« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2020, 11:19:23 PM »
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Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration
« Reply #58 on: September 29, 2020, 12:59:58 AM »
Very nice, Marcus.

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Re: 65 Skylark Down Under Restoration
« Reply #59 on: September 29, 2020, 10:32:22 AM »
Looking good Marcus!!
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