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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1110 on: May 15, 2020, 09:19:16 AM »
Thanks for the time on this Walt! I can see the difference  between the two and the commonality between the 67 and 68 jobs. I had a feeling the collapsing screen style was going to be the big factor. Just thought it would be an easier swap. Now, on another note did anyone else see that pic mentioned above. Maybe that later column was installed in a '67 afterall.   Bill
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Bone yards and steering columns. (Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455)
« Reply #1111 on: May 15, 2020, 01:20:31 PM »
Dear 65GSConv, Bill, Sean, Walt, and mid-60s Buick caregivers,

I'm not offering, but there is a salvage yard not too distant from me that has a 65 Sport Wagon in it.  . . . . .

[There?s a yard here that claims they have a ?65 Sport Wagon,  . . . . 

Thanks for the references, but Biquette is back together and not missing anything.  I really cannot collect too many spares.  The house is full of junk as it is!

. . . . I have the opportunity to pick up a 67 tilt for my 64. Anyone see any real difficulty swapping it over? (Not too worried about 4 way flashers).  . . . .

It is definitely not your style, but Biquette has a IDidIt aftermarket steering column with tilt.

https://www.ididitinc.com/

The main advantage of an aftermarket column and associated linkage is that they go to a lot of trouble to take as little space as possible:



I'm not sure anything else will work with the Stage-2 exhaust headers.

FYI . . . . . . . . .  Edouard  :occasion14:

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1112 on: May 16, 2020, 08:35:14 AM »
Bill, I wanted to mention the clutch/brake pedals are different for 1967, that would be another hurdle if you go with a 67 column.
I often use eBay to do research and get pics. While many listings may have incorrect info, you can weed those out by going with the majority.... find 5 '67 columns and 3 should have the correct info.
Chevelle and Pontiac forums are extremely helpful:
Team Chevelle at:
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And the old Performance Years/now Ames MaxPerformance forum at:
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/index.php

I have a ton of experience with 66's dating back to 1977 and a half dozen rebuilds, but like to confirm info before I post!
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1113 on: May 16, 2020, 09:02:24 PM »
The 67 column (second picture) attaches differently under the dash and it has a wider diameter then the 66 (first picture). I am sure the 67 column could be used with enough time and effort in an earlier car, but it is not going to be a direct swap. Some wiring, cutting and bracket fabrication would be required. 

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1114 on: May 17, 2020, 04:02:36 AM »
Thanks fellas! A lot of time I switch from BLINDERS to rose colored glasses and overlook the obvious.  Theres as much difference between these models as between the '64 and a lowly '63!  There was absolutely no rush on this job; just getting stuff ready for next winters big adventure. Its good to have a nice warm shop to work in unless the state turns off or regulates natural gas volume sales. Remember Dick Nixon requesting us to keep the heat at 68F and wear a sweater? 73F in the wintertime up here is marginally comfortable!  Anyways, Ill continue the search.

I am guessing most 64-65 GM "A" bodies will be closer? Howz about RIVs? There seams to be an abundance of those around up here. Just a thought!

Yesterday I got that shifter rod installed. Some one on V8 called it a :hybrid" model with modified arms on the trans and the rods as well. . Hmm. Laying the new one side by side with the busted one, the new one was about 1/8 to 1/4 inch too long to align the neutral pin for adjusting. No sweat right? I got a die nut on the threads and that bastard was hard as glass! No way was the die nut gonna touch that rod, and I wasn't gonna ruin the dye.  Ended up taking it back out and puttin' it back the vise to give it a cold bend to shorten it up. HURST says to do it cold. That lousy 3/8 rod took all I could give it with a 12 inch adjustable handle on it to bend at all. I thought it was gonna bust and I was gonna go flyin'. TUFF STUFF. Even the sturdy bench and a REAL vise were moaning.

That worked swell, but the caveat (as always!) was that when putting that "C" clip back on the arm, BAYOINGGG, it went flying into the abyss of my tool box. I heard it hit and actually saw it go. Two hours later, the packed rollaround box was all cleaned out and re-organized, but no stinking clip. All 3 motor parts in town now close at noon on Saturday, and at 12:05 the race was on. All three actually unlocked the doors and helped me look to no avail. CRAP!

Sure as heck, I got home and there was that little bastard in the upper corner of that big tool box laughing at me! Three hours wasted for a Jesus clip. FWIW, I also unbolted the cross member and slid it back 6-8 inches to access the shifter. There just wasnt enough room for me and the rods at the same time. Hands are cut to ribbons now. Shoulda done that first. Completed that part and with new belts and 1-1/4 gallons of anti freeze we went for a spin and the shifter is actually smoother than before. Mustve been that home made rod eh? Today I hope to get down to some serious work... a nice nap and garage cleaning LOL... Bill
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1115 on: May 17, 2020, 07:50:40 PM »
If you shifted into third with the same enthusiasm that you use for reverse......your toys would last longer. Did you dent the dash when it broke?

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1116 on: May 18, 2020, 06:16:41 AM »
This all happened with the first full blown redline power shift from 1 to 2. The bench seat cushioned the blow! After hunting around with the new born "mystery shifter" it slid into 3rd with little effort and we finished up the 4 block roll nome w/o PS and 3rd and 4th gear, making a few lock to lock turns in the yard to get into the shop with a red hot motor... blew both the belts off.  The PS belt was hanging on the crank pulley but we went back with my truck to find the busted water pump belt; right at the end of the burn out !   
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1117 on: May 18, 2020, 02:23:59 PM »
"This all happened with the first full blown redline power shift from 1 to 2. ..."

Giving proper application to the old adage: "Hit it hard. If it breaks, it needed fixing anyway."

The previous owner was a wuss.

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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1118 on: May 18, 2020, 04:32:16 PM »
Yeah man... a wuss and a shitty welder. It was pretty obvious why it failed after the fact. There was evidence of another repair/change on that rod also so I wasnt taking a chance.

Im glad I had the rotor balanced, forged rods weighed and balanced (big and small ends) and forged T/A pistons. Coulda been wayyyy worser.   Bill
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1119 on: May 18, 2020, 04:44:15 PM »
Yeah, when pistons start swapping holes while revved so high only the pooches can hear it, your fun meter will be bouncing the stops.

I have become too old and cheap to not use a rev limiter now.

Back when I was a whippersnapper, we used valve springs as rev limiters...
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1120 on: May 18, 2020, 06:37:30 PM »
Valves floating on an SBC are one thing, but BBBs dont like the spins...   ws
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1121 on: May 19, 2020, 12:08:44 AM »
I know that. It was humor.

I'm out.
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1122 on: May 19, 2020, 06:00:17 AM »
Naw man... yer "in"!  I was just thinking how racing technique has changed. When the SBCs were racing, the staged light would come on, then as soon as the tree would decline, the drivers would simply floor the car to WOT and dump the clutch on the green light. You could hear those valves floating at 10K. I think "dynamically" thats all the air a SBC could inhale back then!   Bill
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Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455
« Reply #1123 on: June 03, 2020, 04:43:00 AM »
WOW! Its been two weeks so I guess its time for an update...

Pretty much have the boat squared away with mmy pal from Dwight, Il. being the first "boatel" guest this year. He came up for the Manitowoc Covid 19 2020 car cruise in town this past weekend. The cruise was just an "ad hoc" drive around town thats' course was about 5 miles. Seriously tho, probably 1000 vehicles showed up, and for the most part were behaving OK. Two squad cars on duty and no one got busted altho the crotch rockets were out in force, and all the farm boys had to show off rolling coal. Lotsa burnouts. I kept the BADLASS down to forst gear demonstrations only. Lotsa pedestrians and traffic. Had to use a little (very?) common sense.
   A few coffee can jobs with turbos running at WOT with the waste gate wide open fartin' and hissin'. Had one right next to me for a few blocks and I got annoyed. A 5000 rpm hole shot for a full block with 465 inches of air through the 850 Q jet shamed him into turning off on a side street. Maybe he was delivering pizzas LOL...

Did a few garage sales and found one with some 1964 chevelle smalls, but there was this 1500 LB trailer hitch for the rear bumper. I held it up to the BADLASS and the fuel fill pipe was totally in the way. I woulda bought it but wasnt sure what it fits. I was thinking BIQUETTE. If anyone wants it, I have the sellers info and can "probably" go back for it. No guarantees its still there now. At 1500lbs, good for a pop up or motorcycle trailer anyways.

Just a few photo OPs along the way. BADLASS did well all weekend even with several severe floggings; hafta keep bad girls in line right???   Bill

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Which WWII Sub? (Re: Secret experimental 1964 GX 455)
« Reply #1124 on: June 03, 2020, 01:18:58 PM »
Dear Bill and mid-60s Buick caregivers,

WOW! Its been two weeks so I guess its time for an update...

Thanks for the update!

Did a few garage sales and found one with some 1964 chevelle smalls, but there was this 1500 LB trailer hitch for the rear bumper. I held it up to the BADLASS and the fuel fill pipe was totally in the way. I woulda bought it but wasnt sure what it fits. I was thinking BIQUETTE. If anyone wants it, I have the sellers info and can "probably" go back for it. No guarantees its still there now. At 1500lbs, good for a pop up or motorcycle trailer anyways.

Thanks for thinking of me but I had a custom class-IV hitch receiver built for Biquette at the same time she got her dual exhaust:



Just a few photo OPs along the way. BADLASS did well all weekend even with several severe floggings; hafta keep bad girls in line right???

Thanks for the pictures!  On the third photo there is a US World War II fleet submarine in the background - which sub did they preserve?

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14: