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Re: Dye question
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2017, 08:56:12 PM »
Nice dog! Neat coloring....hope you're not painting him/her to match the interior too!
Ok, your seats aren't a stock color anymore. You just want to paint items so they look like they belong but don't need to be a perfect match for the original. That's easier.

Here's a color chart for the SEM paints. Colors might be 'off', would be best to look at one in person.
Thanks, yes  I do not need original, since Dusty is no longer original. I'm very sad to report that the husband did not green light me to restore Dusty to original. 

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Bummer dude! Possible plan-B (Re: Dye question)
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2017, 09:43:46 PM »
Dear Barb, Jim, and mid-60s Buick performance fans,

No.   The  455 was taken out 18 yrs ago and put in storage with other guys cars stuff. Guys he raced with. Then my husband lost interest on Dusty and everything else car related. A year ago when I started working on Dusty we found out that the unit was long emptied.   I will keep Dusty healthy for the street. I got to spend my cash on something


Bummer dude!   :angry1:

Well after all, perhaps not a great loss.  Swapping a big-block into a 1965 Buick is quite a chore.  Hopefully Dusty's original engine will behave.  Should you run into trouble with it, another option is the Buick 350.  They were made for many years so they are plentiful and with a little careful "decoration" they can be made to look like Dusty left the factory with the newer engine.

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14:

P.S. As a general rule with a classic car is always a good idea to have a plan-B in mind!  :BangHead:

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Re: Dye question
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2017, 09:50:17 PM »
Dear Barb, Jim, and mid-60s Buick performance fans,

No.   The  455 was taken out 18 yrs ago and put in storage with other guys cars stuff. Guys he raced with. Then my husband lost interest on Dusty and everything else car related. A year ago when I started working on Dusty we found out that the unit was long emptied.   I will keep Dusty healthy for the street. I got to spend my cash on something


Bummer dude!   :angry1:

Well after all, perhaps not a great loss.  Swapping a big-block into a 1965 Buick is quite a chore.  Hopefully Dusty's original engine will behave.  Should you run into trouble with it, another option is the Buick 350.  They were made for many years so they are plentiful and with a little careful "decoration" they can be made to look like Dusty left the factory with the newer engine.

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14:

P.S. As a general rule with a classic car is always a good idea to have a plan-B in mind!  :BangHead:

He has a 300 nail head. Now. I thought he had a 350.  [emoji28] . Geez what other things do I not know.. I'm going to take very detail pictures and you all can school me.[emoji2]

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Buick 300 history and oil with ZDDP (Re: Dye question)
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2017, 11:06:01 AM »
Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick historians,

He has a 300 nail head. Now. I thought he had a 350.

As long as you are getting an education, you should learn about the very interesting history of the Buick 300 cid V-8.  It isn't a "nailhead" but an early version of the more modern engines that GM would produce throughout the 1960s.  "Nailhead" refers to the size of the valves.  They were so small on the some of the earlier engines that they resembled nails.  Because the valves were that small, the engine couldn't "breathe" as well (pull in fresh air and expel exhaust efficiently.)  The Buick 300 grew out of the 215 cid V-8 developed jointly by Buick, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac.  Here is the story on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V8_engine#Buick_.22Small-Block.22

That was an all aluminum engine and was extremely advanced for it time.  Alas, GM had trouble getting reliable aluminum castings because of aluminum is much more vulnerable to causing porous castings.  By the time Dusty was made, the 300 was cast in iron instead. 

As explained in the Wikipedia article, GM sold the rights to manufacture these engines to British Rover company and Rover succeeded in making an all aluminum 300 cid V-8.  They did such a good job that GM tried to buy the rights back!  The British version of these engines went on to having a very long life lasting until the 1990s.  Some of the Rover parts can be back-fitted onto the original Buick engines.  TA-Performance sells the Rover aluminum heads for the Buick 300.

So Dusty has a far more historic engine than even many Buick enthusiasts realize!

Cheers, Edouard

P.S. I've forgotten if I've already asked.  Does Dusty have a motor oil formulated for a classic car with ZDDP?

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Re: Dye question
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2017, 11:09:53 AM »
Not that I Know. I will ask since I have not drove him long enough to get its oil changed. It was put in last year when I pulled him out of my garage. I have any put 100 miles since I got him running .

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Re: Dye question
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2017, 11:11:12 AM »
Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick historians,

He has a 300 nail head. Now. I thought he had a 350.

As long as you are getting an education, you should learn about the very interesting history of the Buick 300 cid V-8.  It isn't a "nailhead" but an early version of the more modern engines that GM would produce throughout the 1960s.  "Nailhead" refers to the size of the valves.  They were so small on the some of the earlier engines that they resembled nails.  Because the valves were that small, the engine couldn't "breathe" as well (pull in fresh air and expel exhaust efficiently.)  The Buick 300 grew out of the 215 cid V-8 developed jointly by Buick, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac.  Here is the story on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V8_engine#Buick_.22Small-Block.22

That was an all aluminum engine and was extremely advanced for it time.  Alas, GM had trouble getting reliable aluminum castings because of aluminum is much more vulnerable to causing porous castings.  By the time Dusty was made, the 300 was cast in iron instead. 

As explained in the Wikipedia article, GM sold the rights to manufacture these engines to British Rover company and Rover succeeded in making an all aluminum 300 cid V-8.  They did such a good job that GM tried to buy the rights back!  The British version of these engines went on to having a very long life lasting until the 1990s.  Some of the Rover parts can be back-fitted onto the original Buick engines.  TA-Performance sells the Rover aluminum heads for the Buick 300.

So Dusty has a far more historic engine than even many Buick enthusiasts realize!

Cheers, Edouard

P.S. I've forgotten if I've already asked.  Does Dusty have a motor oil formulated for a classic car with ZDDP?
You are a delight. I love the information you share with me. You make sound smart when I share it with others.  Thanks.

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Re: Dye question
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2017, 03:43:41 PM »
I believe the 64 300 engine had a cast iron block with aluminum heads and intake. In 65 Buick went to cast iron heads and intakes.

Some will say the nail head was given that name due to cylinder head design. When you place them on a flat surface, the valves are literally vertical, like a row of nails waiting to be driven into place with a hammer.  :icon_biggrin: Kind of a cool design in my opinion.  :occasion14:

Always good to ask questions, as there's no such thing as a silly or stupid one. Everyone of of us had to learn at some point.  :icon_thumright:
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Stay tuned! The truth about ZDDP . . . (Re: Dye question)
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2017, 09:49:00 PM »
Dear Barb, Mister T., and mid-60s Buick caregivers,

Not that I Know. I will ask since I have not drove him long enough to get its oil changed. It was put in last year when I pulled him out of my garage. I have any put 100 miles since I got him running .

I had hoped to dig up some references on the Internet that explained the problem with modern oils, but I struck out.  It's been a long day and I don't have the to write up the problem myself.  So stay tuned and hopefully I'll find the time tomorrow.

Cheers, Edouard

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Re: Dye question
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2017, 09:53:04 PM »
Dear Barb, Mister T., and mid-60s Buick caregivers,

Not that I Know. I will ask since I have not drove him long enough to get its oil changed. It was put in last year when I pulled him out of my garage. I have any put 100 miles since I got him running .

I had hoped to dig up some references on the Internet that explained the problem with modern oils, but I struck out.  It's been a long day and I don't have the to write up the problem myself.  So stay tuned and hopefully I'll find the time tomorrow.

Cheers, Edouard
Thank you. I asked  but they do not recall being done. Do you think I should change it.? I mean it has  sat for a year. I would not mind it, I am all for preventing  damage.

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ZDDP and flat tappet camshafts (Re: Dye question)
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2017, 11:25:35 AM »
Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick caregivers,

Not that I Know. I will ask since I have not drove him long enough to get its oil changed. It was put in last year when I pulled him out of my garage. I have any put 100 miles since I got him running .


If you look at just about any classic car publication, you see a buzz about oils (and oil additives) that contain ZDDP (Zinc dithiophosphate.)  As noted in the Wikipedia article, this compound was discovered in the 1940s and was soon added to lubricants like motor oil.  It forms a very slippery film on parts like camshafts.  Until recently, all camshafts were of the "flat tappet" variety.  This means that there is a metal to metal surface contact between the camshaft and the lifter.  Basically these are two pieces of steel rubbing against each other.  Without some sort of lubricant, the lifter will wear down the lube of the camshaft.  It is the camshaft lobes that control when the engine valves open and close.  If the camshaft started to wear, the valves stop opening when they are supposed to and the engine will start to run rougher until it doesn't at all.

Unfortunately, a small amount of motor oil gets into the exhaust and it was discovered that ZDDP reacted with catalytic converters, effectively "clogging" them over time.  So regulators required that the amount of ZDDP in motor oil be greatly reduced.  Modern engines use a different system called a roller camshaft that puts a roller bearing in the place of the steel to steel contact point of the flat tappet camshafts.  So reducing the amount ZDDP doesn't harm modern engines.  However, this is not the case for engines built before the 1990s - like Dusty's.

Around 2005, the owners of small sports cars with high revving engines started to report mysterious engine failures after as little as 6 months after a rebuild.  It took a while to determine the cause, but eventually it was concluded that the lack of ZDDP in the modern motor oils had caused excessive camshaft wear.  From that point on, there was a race by motor oil makers to come with specially formulated oils for classic car engines.  Today there is a dizzying number of motor oil brands with formulations for classic cars.  Here is a 6 month old discussion about it on this forum:

http://65gs.com/board/index.php?topic=2931.msg19405#msg19405

Indeed, you don't have run over in panic to change Dusty's oil, but probably you shouldn't delay very long either.  Biquette's original engine was rebuilt in 2001.  In 2010 and after only about 10,000 miles, the engine started to run rough and there was clear evidence of timing errors in the opening and closing of the valves.  So modern oils really do damage older engines.  Switching to a classic car oil is something you should do at your earliest convenience.

Cheers, Edouard

P.S. There is an interesting post on V-8 Buick explaining of the issues, but that board is still down for an upgrade.  I'll post the link when it comes back up.

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Re: Dye question
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2017, 11:37:05 AM »
So interesting.  Before Dusty , I would just send my car to the dealership. Since I was told that I had to make myself responsible for anything of Dusty's, I want to have as much knowledge stored to deal with anything that might come up. Thank you so much.

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Started a new thread with oil info (Re: Dye question)
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2017, 07:06:14 PM »
Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick caregivers,

Since I was told that I had to make myself responsible for anything of Dusty's, I want to have as much knowledge stored to deal with anything that might come up. Thank you so much.


V-8 Buick is still down for the count, so we'll all have to wait to access any information on the forum.  However, while looking for something else, I came across some interesting articles on oil technology and classic cars.  To make it easier to find I started a new thread:

http://65gs.com/board/index.php?topic=3392.0

As you can see we are all still learning!

Cheers, Edouard  :occasion14:

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Re: Dye question
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2017, 07:15:41 PM »
Great read,  I have so many more questions .   I will research  the brands that it spoke about . 

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V-8 Buick thread on oil technology (Was: Dye question)
« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2017, 09:37:58 PM »
Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick owners seeking the best motor oil,

Great read,  I have so many more questions .   I will research  the brands that it spoke about . 


V-8 Buick is back up but they seem to have destroyed my many year collection of subscribed threads.  This is being saved?  :angryfire:

Nonetheless with some careful searches I relocated the thread on oil technology:

http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/new-oil-tech.222499/

You might find it an interesting read.

Cheers, Edouard

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Re: Dye question
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2017, 09:40:03 PM »
Dear Barb and mid-60s Buick owners seeking the best motor oil,

Great read,  I have so many more questions .   I will research  the brands that it spoke about . 


V-8 Buick is back up but they seem to have destroyed my many year collection of subscribed threads.  This is being saved?  :angryfire:

Nonetheless with some careful searches I relocated the thread on oil technology:

http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/new-oil-tech.222499/

You might find it an interesting read.

Cheers, Edouard

Thanks,  I am really enjoying all the information.

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