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Offline 35chevcoupe

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Distributor internals ?
« on: February 15, 2016, 08:04:40 PM »
Just wondering guys what,s everyone using for distributor internals ?  are you converting them to a type of breakerless or are you still using the points and condenser type ?
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Re: Distributor internals ?
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2016, 08:19:25 PM »

Pretty reliable system, I have been running it for several years.


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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2016, 08:20:20 PM »
Had mine converted to Pertronix breakerless by Carmen Faso a few years ago.  And curved for a 2x4 with 4 speed.  Works great!

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Re: Distributor internals ?
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2016, 08:44:28 PM »
Carmen did mine with a Pertronix and recurve.

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Re: Distributor internals ?
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2016, 08:56:37 PM »
I used to have the Pertronix but now run the MSD Pro Billet distributor for nailheads.
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That's *SO* 2010 . . . (Re: Distributor internals ?)
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2016, 09:46:46 PM »
Dear John, sjfd04, Chuck, Mark, Jim, and mid-60s Buick "stealthy technophiles, . . . "

Just wondering guys what,s everyone using for distributor internals ?  are you converting them to a type of breakerless or are you still using the points and condenser type ?


http://www.pertronix.com/


. . . you guys are *SO* behind the times.   Why my trusty wagon had some sort of electronic ignition in the early 1990s!  I don't remember the brand but I bought it from J.C. Whitney and considering the dubious source, it lasted for almost 20 years.

In 2010 that old system in my wagon was replaced with a the Pertronix setup which worked just fine but it was abandoned with her original engine in 2013.

She is about to enter a whole new world of ignition control and I was starting to write it up today to post on this forum but it is rather involved.  I ran out of time before I could include all the juicy details!  :laughing7:

So stay tuned!! . . . .

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Re: Distributor internals ?
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2016, 10:03:35 PM »
Does the petronix use the stock ign coil ? and how much of a modification to the wiring harness ?
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Re: Distributor internals ?
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2016, 10:12:42 PM »
John,

If I recall correctly, the Pertronix system uses a new 'high energy' coil from Pertronix as well, but it's a look alike for the stock coil.  And I don't remember any modifications to the wiring harness.  Perhaps Mark can confirm, but I remember it being a painless conversion.

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2016, 10:20:04 PM »
Here are a couple of pictures of the distributor and coil installed.  By the way, the blue distributor cap will not return.  I'm getting a new black one from Carmen.   :icon_thumright:

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Re: Distributor internals ?
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2016, 10:20:47 PM »
Thanks guys for the info.
It sounds like a good system . I,d like to keep it stock appearing as much as i can .  I used to( and still do ) like tinkering with points BUT kinda old technologies .     I really like the idea of having the dist. recurved . :icon_thumright:

Chuck , especially for the dual quads .
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John Evenson

1930 model A 4 dr sedan
35 chev coupe 2 dr Master Deluxe suicide dr,s
55 chev belair wagon 4dr
59 Buick Invicta 2 dr hd top
65 Buick GS 2 dr ht 3 spd
65 Buick GS Convertible 3 spd
1970 Cuda 440-6
71 Buick GS
84 chev 3/4 ton p/u 6.2 diesel
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Re: Distributor internals ?
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2016, 10:28:11 PM »
Yeah, having the distributor recurved for the duals made a noticeable difference in power and drivability.  I believe with the duals there is about 10 more degrees of advance added to the curve and the nailhead just smiles and purrs....then roars!   :laughing7:
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Re: Distributor internals ?
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2016, 11:25:24 PM »
Lots of options. What are your goals?

Adding more initial advance (from 2* to 10*) and limiting total advance to 30-32* (initial + mechanical) noticeably helps the low end power. Add lighter advance springs to get the advance in sooner helps too.... up to a point. Too much advance too soon and the engine will ping.

An adjustable vacuum advance from Crane can fine-tune your part-throttle advance to improve economy.

Easy way to get the 10* to 32* mech advance is to find a distributor from a 425 dual quad engine or an earlier Dynaflow-equipped 401. Without that special breaker-point plate, you'll have to either weld up the advance slot or put an offset bushing in it. Tom probably knows more methods.

A nice one-wire breaker-point replacement is avail from Lectric Limited. I haven't used it, but many recommend it.
http://www.lectriclimited.com/breakerless_se.htm

Crane has a version as well, the XR-i.  Features a rpm limiter.
Petronix has had several versions, I'm not up to date on their offerings.
I'm still running a Mallory Unilite in my blue '66.....over 30 years now!


Someone was offering a HEI converted distributor for Nailheads some years ago, unsure if he's still offering them....

If you want more features like a timing retard, rpm-activated switches for shift lights, nitrous, etc, or even a fully programmable timing curve, check out the offerings from MSD, Crane, or Mallory.

You can even mix components.... use a GM Hei magnetic trigger to fire one of the above mentioned boxes. You can fire thos boxes with points too.

What ever you end up using, it's always a good idea to have a good ole points setup in the trunk just in case your electronic setup gets fried!

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